SPURS prove that they just DON'T want to WIN...

I see the new rules destroying the Spurs. Sure, they will play good D, but who is going to shoot over that zone? Porter?

I predict the Spurs will average 83 points per game next year, while holding opponents to 89. Good D, laughable O.

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MrSpur:

While I agree that some of the criticism is unfair, there are a couple of real problems for the Spurs:

1. Duncan has already made it pretty clear by signing that short deal that he doesn't want to put up with rebuilding. Once David Robinson retires, the Spurs need to find an immediate replacement. My money is on them not doing so; they could, but the odds are against it.

2. They really do need perimeter defense. I wouldn't be surprised if DA comes back... and I do think Tony Parker was a steal. But he's not going to be ready yet. The SF and PG spots are going to be defensive sieves. granted, you can get away with a bit with the twin towers, but it's still a concern.

3. They obviously need to improve some, but have few avenues of doing so. Pretty self-explanatory.

4. Popovich is very mediocre. I don't think he's a bad coach; he gives good discipline. But I don't think he maximizes his players well and he doesn't adjust to rotations effectively. Before a game, Pop is a great coach. During... not so fabulous. I'm not just being insulting - while Rudy T is a great with personell, he's only average at best with X's and O's.

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Ok, I am not one to say the Spurs suck or they will be in the lottery next year.

I think they will still do well, even with holes in the starting 5. Hell, they won a championship with a not 100% Elliot, a shell of Elie, and AJ...

DA will be a Spur, too.

But, MrSpur, you are obviously letting hometown fanaticism cloud your judgement.

1. DA was nowhere near 100% when he returned, according to HIS OWN WORDS. He just thought he could help, so he gave it a try. Players always do that - look at Zo..he still might be finished for good, but he had to take his window to play.

2. Robinson is a good center. But he is no longer great and he is poor against LA. Unfortunately for SA, with their style they need him to be. They could not beat LA as the Bucks or teams with different types of lineups could.

3. There is a huge hole at the 3. I have read that Ferry won't be back, as well. Don't know how valid that is...just read it. Unless there is a trade, there are very few choices for getting a new 3. If there is a trade, who do the Spurs have to use as bait? After Duncan, Robinson, and Anderson, the lineup is not very appealing. Add to that that the Spurs are now not that deep so a trade could really hurt, even if it is with someone such as Rose(much better than Walker) or Daniels.

4. Popovich is at best an average coach. I really thought the Spurs could do better against the Lakers. That shows lack of heart and motivation and coaching. Sure, DA was unavailable and then 60% at best, but the Sixers were torn up beyond belief and got one game.

Basically, I think the Spurs will have a good record -- no matter what -- but not go far in the playoffs. Unless there are serious changes in personnel and attitude, it will stay that way and then get worse when Duncan bolts. He signed a limited deal for a reason. Once Robinson is gone -- if the Spurs don't change -- Duncan is gone.

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i see mr. spur has become mr. silence....

 

i hate the spurs !

 

The bottom line is that the Spurs are still the best team in the league other than the Lakers if they retain the Admiral and DA. We can't dis the Spurs, if they are a much better team than we are. True, the Spurs have some of the worst character and hustle in the league, they are a soft team. Pop is not a great coach, he is a half-decent coach who doesn't know what he is doing a lot of the times. The Spurs didn't win 58 games as a joke, they are a great team, but not nearly as great as the Lakers.
Mr. Spur, David Robinson flat out gave up against Shaq, he didn't go toe to toe with Shaq in the paint like Mutumbo did. DRob is a soft player, everybody in the league knows that.
ZRB, the Spurs had the best 3 pt. shooting % in the league last year. Of course, it went out the window against the Lakers. But, they have excellent 3 pt. shooters in Ferry, Porter, Daniels, and DA. They just need to get more athletic shooters like DA on their team at PG. Parker may be able to help. So they do have shooters to attack the zone. In fact, they have better 3 pt. shooters than we do.

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[This message has been edited by LiLStevie3 (edited June 29, 2001).]

 

So let's see...Barkley took a one year deal
for the minimum in order to clear cap space
in '99, but Robinson won't?

Spurs just waived Walker today, so that's
brings the total up to $22 million in
potential cap space. DA's not getting the
max and Robinson has indicated that he is
willing to be flexible with his contract.

As for who will shoot over the zone, I would
think that between Anderson, Daniels, Ferry,
and Porter, all who shot 40% or better on
their 3s, that is a start. At least take a
look at the roster.

The Spurs know that they must improve. They
are certainly not thinking small when it
comes to trades and free agency. The one
thing that is for certain is that they are
not standing pat, especially not after the
way the season ended.

As for DA, the point is that the injury
wasn't serious enough to keep him from
returning during the playoffs.

The bottomline is that the Spurs are not
exactly at death's door like some of you
hometown HTown fellows would hope.

I'm glad to see that at least one thinking
man recognizes that.

I guess the Spurs have been banned from
making personnel moves?




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Every team has its shortcomings. Let's just remember that the Spurs have the Twin Towers, and as long as those guys are around, it's gonna be tough to get any points vs. the Spurs.

As far as The Admiral getting screwed, I imagine the talks with Dave will be going on at just about the exact same time as the talks with Derek Anderson. Heck, they may even sign Anderson first, and give Dave whatever's left. I don't think they'd give the Admiral a screw job.

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DRob is a top 5 center in this league. Who else is there?

O'Neal/Mutombo/Mourning/???




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Well, they are about to clear $22 mil in cap
space. Sure, they have to re-sign DA and
Robinson, but is DA going to get the max?
Nope. And Robinson has indicated he will be
flexible with salary in order to improve the
team.

Say Anderson gets a deal starting at $6.5
mil and Robinson at one year for $5
mil...that leads to $10.5 mil in cap space.
If DRob takes even less, there is more to
work with.

Pretty self-explanatory...

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[This message has been edited by MrSpur (edited June 29, 2001).]

 

dave will make at least 6-9 million per, Mr.Spur.


dave is not barkley. barkley is not dave. barkley has heart. dave has no heart.


and i have YET to see you mention an impact frontcourt OR backcourt player the spurs can reasonably pick up. corie blount???


if dave's a top 5 center, do you think he'll allow d anderson to make more money than he does? d anderson is making at least 6 million next year. count on dave - the top 5 center - making at least 7 (the absolute lowest).

EVEN SO...

who can they get to improve the team?

spurs won't suck, but they will be worse than last year.

 

Any team with Tim D will be good. But the Spurs have no quality PG and are glaringly, and I mean glaringly, unathletic at the 3 spot. The French PG is a good pick, but don't expect him to contribute until D Rob is out of the league, and as a very late 1st rounder it is not like he for sure will be a starting quality player at all.

I thought teams would have realized by now that you can't put a one dimesional shooter like Dennis Scott, Chuck Person or Danney Ferry in the 3 spot and hope to beat a great team. Great teams nuetrilize 1 dimensional players. The Spurs have tried this twice and it has failed. I don't see the Spurs really upgrading 1, 2, or 3 spot enough to make them better than the Lakers. We will see if they can improve the versitility and athleticsm of their team, Mr Spur thinks they can, I don't think they will be able to.

 

Although I love Barkley, you could also say Dave has a ring. Barkley has no ring.

The argument that Dave had Duncan is weak. Barkley had Olajuwon and Drexler but failed after that b*stard Stockton sank the shot. Plus he had Olajuwon and Quitten(who turned out to be a bust) and Olajuwon and Francis. He also had KJ.


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[This message has been edited by LiLStevie3 (edited June 29, 2001).]

 

So basically the argument here is that the Spurs cannot improve themselves despite their cap space?

Think about that for a sec...if someone said the Rockets won't be able to improve themselves with their cap space this summer you would disagree with that.

Gee...the Rockets aren't my favorite team, but I don't let my apathy cloud my judgement. They will improve upon the areas in which they need help with their cap space just like the Spurs will this summer.



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um, Mr.Spur, how does that Spurs "cap flexibility" help them address their frontcourt problems? again, name me a player they are looking at in the frontcourt.

don't tell me, "pop runs a tight ship" because so does every other team in the nba. yet, you still hear of who they are looking at. didn't you hear last summer they were looking at derek anderson and danny ferry? i did. but you aren't really hearing that this summer. at least not yet. again, all i've heard is shandn andersn, and i agree, that it is not a good fit.


re: eddie robinson

of course he's desirable and reasonable! but that does not mean that they will get him. 1st, although i might be wrong on this, i have not seen anything stating that e-rob "wants" to leave charlotte. yes, he can make more $$$, but that isn't always "the" deciding factor. factor in players that have left san antonio and said that they will "NEVER" player for san antonio again. fact in the fact that pop is not exactly well respected as an "intelligent" coach around the league. whether you agree or not, there are other factors as to whether a player comes over or not. and i'm betting that eddie robinson won't be in san anto. besides, i don't think he's the solution for san antonio anyways. his j beyond 18' is questionable, and with the inside game the spurs have, they HAVE TO be able to stretch the defense.


re: jaren jackson/samaki walker starting...

i NEVER stated that they will be starting. that was another poster above me. if they start, pop should be assasinated.

re: dave v. shaq

so you're basically conceding the fact that dave doesn't even battle shaq anymore, right? cause i don't care what he did in the first 5 years of shaq's career.

bottom line is that he won't stand up to shaq, the same way as he won't stand up to karl malone. shaq basically has called dave a b****, then gone out and proven it. this isn't about shutting shaq down. this isn't about shaq being the best center in the nba in his prime. this is about dave giving 150% not 100% not 98.9% on both ends and making shaq know that he is there. dave played like a b**** against shaq, sorry.

at least dike stood his ground. but you already conceded this one...dave did not stand his ground.


re: derek anderson.

dude, you've got to be joking.

you don't think nba players play less that 100%? you don't think nba players rush back from injuries only to reaggravate/worsen that injury?

"if he came back, he must have been ok"????


derek anderson couldn't hit his ass with either hand agaist the lakers. are you saying that's because he can't shoot, or are you saying it's because he was still hurt? i'm guessing it's answer #2, and you let your mouth run off before your brain thought about it.

 

Since the Rockets don't really have a need for him anymore, Mike Miller might be a good fit in San Antonio. He's young, he can shoot, and is ready to start as either a 2-guard or a Small Forward. If D.Anderson re-ups with them, they could have a young talented core of Duncan, Miller, Anderson and Daniels. With that team and Robinson, Porter, Ferry and a 7-footer off the bench, they could seriously challenge the Lakers next year. And asides for the center spot (which Duncan could move to), they'd be set for the future as well.

In addition to a solid starting 3, and a big body off the bench, what the Spurs really need is a tough player, who is willing to do the dirty work, ala Ellie. They need someone to challenge them, and give them an edge. Bo Outlaw comes to mind as a player who could fit that bill. Maybe even the Junkyard Dog himself could head back to Texas.

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