Tim Duncan is a great player, who won two titles with asterisks. The first in the shortened season, the second with all rivals missing their key parts. The Kings went down without Webber, Lakers with both of their starting 3's injured and head coach in hospital, finally the Mavs lost Dirk. As I said before, the Spurs are the lamest/luckiest championship team ever. It's like they should change their name to the San Antonio voodooes.
I wouldn't put an asterisk on any championship team (like some people do to the Rockets due to the MJ retirement). They won it fair and square. Any championship team won it with some degree of luck anyway. I've always said that you have to be BOTH good AND lucky to win it all.
Well, it took quite awhile but we finally agree upon something. Regardless of the circumstances, a Spurs or Mavs championship is far preferable to a Lakers/Shaq/Kobe/Jackson one. (Even though living with Spurs fans or Mark Cuban would be a notch above hell). I would be curious what some posters (CriscoKidd especially) would think if the Rockets (say via some quircky windfall of the trade exception) acquired...Malik Rose, or Hedo, or Manu, or Bruce Bowen? They may be "scrubs" surrounding Tim Duncan, but I for one would have no trouble if these "scubs" were surrrounding Yao Ming. (Especially Bowen).
i'll give it to the sprus..they are a good team...very fundementally sound..BUT..they are boring as hell to watch!!!
You dont have to ask me twice for me to agree to a certain extent.. I hate the Fakers almost as much as the Spazz..and dandorotik is correct also that the Sonics are up there.. but if you truly want to go old school hatred..I have always hated the Celtics because they beat the Rox in the 81 Finals. and swept the Rox in the ECSfs the year before. we had a great team that deserved to win those two years..Moses, Calvin, RudyT, Reid, Dunleavy, Leavell. Now that I think back, I guess saying "bar-none" was being a little hasty.. teams I hate.. Spazz fakers Sonics Celtics dandorotik, I know what you mean by old school...I have been a Rox fan since the early 70's.
I like all the Texas teams. I can't wait for a day soon when every year it will be an all-Texas Western Conference Finals. When Hakeem embarrassed poor Robinson on the way to the second ring, it was even more fun to watch because I had so much respect for Robinson and the Spurs. Duncan is no different. And people seriously need to recognize that the most hated teams in Houston are easily Utah and Seattle, bar freakin' none. Can't we all, as fellow Texans, collectively turn our hatred towards those jerkoffs in Los Angeles and their sad little ring-desperate veterans Payton and MALONE?! How sweet it would be to deny those chodes, not to mention the already over-the-hill MDE and the NBA's golden boy rapist.
I hope you guys realize that JVG is trying to build us identical to the Spurs. Look at our PF/C rotation, playing with 2 C's. Pike is our spot up shooter, A Griffin is our Bowen, Francis is our Parker, bla bla bla.... We're being molded the same way. Offense goes through the bigman, highscoring PG, with several complimentary pieces to make it work. I don't think that Yao is QUITE at Duncan's level yet, but I think he MAY get there next season IF he has no commitments to China, which is doubtful. However, I do think that Yao can play Duncan as well as anyone in the league considering Duncan is a top 3 player. I also think that the difference between Yao and Duncan is made up in the difference between Francis and Parker. I also think that we have a more talented, though less complimentary, group of role players. One thing's for sure though, the Spurs do NOT want to face the Rockets in the first round. They'd rather have the Sonics, Clippers, Suns, and even the Blazers.
The bottom line is that the Spurs are our rival. They are a division rival as well as a regional rival. The Rockets are the greatest basketball team this state has ever had the privledge to claim. There is no asterix on the Spurs last Championship. It doesn't matter if CWebb and Dirk were injured. That's the nature of the game. Lucky breaks are all a part of it. So the Spurs deserve their prop for last year. The strike shortened year is a different story. That whole year was an abhorration. There was nothing normal about it. To no fault of the Spurs, everything about that year should have an asterix. One more thing. I find it hilarious, Crisco, that you would take issue with a team comprised of a superstar and a bunch of scrubs. Sounds like the 94 Rox to me. Having said all of that, I look forward to many years of kicking the Spurs asses. The quest for more rings is on. The power in the MidWest is about to shift. The Mavs and Spurs need to watch their backs.
Bowen as a starter here would be nice cuz of his d and 3 pt range. That's all we really need from our sf now. Manu? He's cheaper and younger than our wingmen but I like the skillsets of our wingmen more. Hedo? We already have Boki and imo they are pretty much a wash. I think Hedo has always been a tad overrated as well. Rose would be nice as a backup with the Griff AWOL thing, but ideally I'd rather have Griff and his potential sitting on the bench. Parker would be nice coming off the bench in similar role to what Rudy envisioned Mooch would be doing, but as a starter? Meh. But the spurs would want a lot more than I'd be willing to give(tradewise), so none of that would ever happen. They are alright roleplayers, but sometimes people seem to forget that's all they are right now. A little exposure in the postseason and people tend to overrate the hell out of roleplayers.
Take issue with what? Make your stance clear. I am simply laying out there like I think it is. Mr. Sper fan basically accused our team outside of ming as being overrated which is a joke considering Duncan's supporting cast gets overrated time and again imo. you disagree?
Not at all. I'm with you concerning the Spurs overall. I just misunderstood. I thought you were discounting them because they only really have one great player and a bunch of scrubs. I guess you were just retaliating form the smack that Spur-boy dropped. I should read closer next time.
I don't understand the derision aimed at the Spurs' '99 team. They absolutely smoked everybody. I think there hasn't been many teams in recent memory that were so dominant rolling through the playoffs. I'd say they were one of the better champions of the last decade.
Jesus, let's just cannonize all the Spurs. Duncan is awesome. Parker is good. Ginobli is decent. Turkoglu is decent. The rest are dime a dozen. The Spurs are an excellent team... but just because the team is excellent, doesn't mean that a lot of their players aren't pretty worthless. With the cap and all, very few teams field line-ups where every single player has value. The Mavericks do, but lack a player of Duncan's overall value (Dirk doesn't do D). The Kings do, but lack a player even of Dirk's caliber. The Spurs have won like most recent champions have - with star power and a bunch of loose change that doesn't **** things up for the star.
Juan, Nothing personal against the Spurs of 99. I'd say the same thing to any team that won that year. That whole season was ridiculous. They definetly did better than everyone else in that situation. It's the situation that was not normal. Who's to say the Spurs would have won had it been a regular season. An extra 32 games could make a world of difference. Cramming 50 games in 3 months was a joke. It created even more of a disadvantage to teams that had injuries. There was no time for practice, no time to heal, no time for anything. You do remember that chaotic scheduling of that season, right?
Man, your names are similar, but you and Rockets03 couldn't be further apart in you views on the Spurs.
