ok, that's got to the most ridiculous argument i've heard. so you dont consider the 90's Bulls a dynasty or the Lakers' 3 peat a dynasty either? Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, and Shaq were all in their prime. the irony of this is that if this were the Rockets winning 4 out of 9 years, you'd all be trying to argue and defend that we are a dynasty.
No one calls the 80s Celtics a dynasty. No one calls the 80s Lakers a dynasty. It's fair to say that the 80s belonged to the Celtics and Lakers. It's fair to say that the 2000s have belonged to the Lakers and Spurs. But this isn't a dynasty. Everyone's just in a rush to crown greatness and are going overboard. How do you have a dynasty when a different team one 3 straight during that supposed dynasty? Weren't the Shaq/Kobe Lakers a dynasty too? Let's call it a decade of dominance. The 60s/70s Celtics were a dynasty. The Minny Lakers had a dynasty. The Bulls' 6/8 run was good enough to be a dynasty. But 4 out of 9? Come on. It's really something else, but it's just not close to the definition of a dynasty. Evan
Also, Tim Duncan is the only Spur left over from that 1999 team. Shouldn't a dynasty consist of a few key guys who stay together and win a few championships? If not, then you're basically saying that the 9-year dynasty consists of Tim Duncan. If anything, the 4 in 9 years is a remarkable example of retooling on the fly. Really, really remarkable actually. I say, the dynasty period would begin with Tony Parker's arrival. Then you're talking about a core group that could make up a dynasty. And even then 3 in 5 years is debatable without any back-to-backs. Honestly, if they get out of the West again next year, I'll be incredibly impressed. It's just such a stacked conference -- to consistently get into the Finals from the West is pretty amazing.
BINGO! Spurs are Champs, historically 4* times, but a dynasty is MORE than that. Props to Timmy! and Pop (who I hate), but the pair a dynasty do not make. And..they a booooooorrrrriiing.
i totally agree with you. but i bet the folks in SA aren't bored with championships. in fact, i know they're not.
To be a dynasty you have to win at least half of the championships in a decade. If the Spurs are a dynasty, then Shaq is a one man dynasty. No... The Spurs can silence all of this by winning next season, because they will have met both requirements: 1) At least 5 championships in 10 years. 2) Defending your championship (successfully), at least once. Besides that, this championship is tainted because of what David Stern did to the Suns in the second round. That was ridiculous. This is not a dynasty...
First, don't put words into MY mouth by assuming what I'd do had the Rockets won 4 of 9. THAT is the epitome of ridiculous. Secondly, the Bulls w/o Jordan and the Lakers w/o Shaq were both playoffs teams. I doubt Parker and Manu and Bowen and Fabio and Finley can accomplish that given (as I pointed out and you want to ignore) how crappy they were with a marginally healthy Duncan. And as Phil Jackson likes to point out...an asterisk championship as well.
the situation was absolutely reversed in 1994. when the rest of the country was yawning, the rockets were beating the Knicks. we were glued to it. we partied in the streets. the rest of the country talked about how boring it was. SI told us that hockey was making ground on hoops because it was more exciting. that the new style of hoops, a product of the pistons bad boy era, wasn't any fun. it was a helluva lot of fun to me, though!
The media would have painted a completely different story about that series if the Knicks won game 7. They would babble on about John Starks, Ewing etc etc Riley etc Watch those games again, they WERE NOT BORING.
no, no, no. the media was grumping about the 94 series before Game 7 ever tipped off! the SI cover that lamented the loss of good NBA basketball with the praise for the Stanley Cup Finals was around game 3 of that series. the ratings were low. i agree with you they weren't boring. but i also wear Rocket Red glasses when i view those games. i thought these games in the Cle/SA finals were boring as hell. my buddy from SA keeps emailing me telling me how awesome they were.
The Rockets, Knicks series was higher than any the Spurs played in, according to this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Basketball_Association_Nielsen_ratings
This NBA series was by far the most boring. I fell asleep twice in one game. I wore Rocket's red too. But having a close game 7, the Cassell winner, the john starks game with dream blocking it, plus OJ driving his bronco. There was WAY MORE EXCITEMENT. I'm talking billion more times excitement. Even the broadcasters. ABC = sucks. NBC = good!
i don't doubt it. television is very different than it was then. tons more choices. satellite providers, etc. i think other than the super bowl, every league's championship has seen ratings drops over the past 15 years or so. but this has to be discouraging for the NBA. they want us to care very much about Lebron. the country just doesn't. yet. maybe that will change.
i agree with everything you just said. having said that, if the rockets would have won in the exact same fashion, i'd be telling you today how thrilled i was about it...how i didn't miss a minute of the action...and wondering where i could buy my championship t-shirt.
i understand the SA fan point of view. I never thought they weren't a dynasty. But evidence shows that they were boring. I thought the Real World Reunion was more fun to watch (Did you see the dudes play the girls at hoops at the Palms?) to be fair, the Rocket game where we only had 4 players score the whole game vs the Jazz was hands down the worst playoff game I've ever seen. I didn't fall asleep cause I was with the Clutchfans and the waitresses were hot.
OK, I really hate the Spurs but lets be real this could of been their 5th straight title. Dallas beat them last season but would not have stood a chance if the Spurs big three were healthy (all were banged up) Spurs then beat the Suns then beat the Heat in 7 The Lakers series was total BS too, Lakers got that title that should of been the Spurs and they also have a Kings title sitting in Staples Center.
