although i am not near as high on atkins as most seem to be. He is rafer alston but gets paid more and doesnt know the system as well.
He is paid less than Alston and has an expiring contract, and this year, just like over their careers, Atkins is a much more efficient shooter and offensive player than Rafer. But other than that, you are right, they are the same player. Think of it this way, WC final visit on the line. Teams are paying all sorts of extra attention on Yao, Tmac and not leaving Battier open either. You have a 20 foot open jumpshot for the PG. Who do you want to take it, Atkins or Rafer? Further, even if Atkins isn't better than Rafer, and I doubt Atkins would be the mainstay starter if brought in midseason, Atkins is a heck of lot better and more reliable than Rafer's back-ups. I would be quite comfortable with a Rafer/Atkins PG rotation for the playoffs. Give Rafer a big edge in knowing the system and smaller edges in distribution and defense; and give Atkins a big edge in mid range shooting, shooting off the dribble, finishing, and a small edge in off the ball 3 point shooting. They seem like good compliments to me.
i don't mind dale davis either. nice player. good rebounder, shotblocker, defender, etc... he'll be a half season rental until yao gets back and then he can be a good locker room vet i guess. will JVG like hunter? athleticism, speed, 3.6blk, 10 reb per 48M. like vissili say, if you look on 48 minute statistic, the proof is in the hotdog. another guy that i would like to add to the discussion is calvin booth - 3.85 blk per 48M. nice size. cheap ($1M contract).
I don't know why you guys want another marginal back-up center. When Yao comes back the Yao/Deke/Howard C rotation is the best and one of the most flexible in the league. We can go with Deke--the best defensive back-up C in the league (or maybe equal to Zo--both guys are like Hunter with experience and brains) or go with Howard as an excellent shooting big when spelling Yao. The difference of a few games in the regular season such a move (Booth, Hunter, Davis) would make is minimal. The moves we have in mind should be for the playoff roster and/or future years.
I would be more than happy with Atkins as our back-up PG. The guy had 29 pts and 15 assists just the other night. Most championship teams have a good back-up PG. This is our most glaring hole in my opinion.
oh, i must have had atkins contract confused with someone elses. anyways, i would agree that as a backup pg he would be helpful
Hunter is a mental midget. He's also a rail and his contract is not one I would want to take. Further, in terms of this team, his rebounding isn't that good - 10 rebounds per 48m rates him 5th amongst the big men, behind Yao, Deke, Howard, and Hayes. I do like Calvin Booth for the same reasons you mentioned, and his contract isn't a factor -- I would look to sign him as cheap backup big man after the season regardless. The question becomes -- it's doubtful Washington gives him away for nothing, but is he really even worth a 2nd round pick?
My trade idea for Daryl Jason Kidd for: * Sura expiring contract $5 mln * TE $4 mln (?) or Kirk Snyder * Rafer $6 mln (?) moves him back to NY Yao and TMac scoring shooting percentage go up immediately, the number of turnovers go down, and finishing at the basket by the point goes through the roof. His jumper is slightly better than Rafer. Imagine Yao getting the ball at the right place and right time. Let's not forget JKidds defense abilities, plus being an allstar he gets calls from refs.
Acquiring a C would be the most obvious move going by JVG's mentions for the need of a center. To paraphrase JVG he want to win now, not tomorrow or next week (ie when Yao come back) Personally I agree with you.
well, the main reason is the question which started nagging in my mind as I watched the Spurs game: (now granted, Deke had just flown back in from a bunch of zany adventures across the country the day before, but still) Has Deke begun to slow down? Is age and fatigue starting to catch up with him? Maybe it was just me seeing things, but it is starting to look to me like Deke may be running out of steam. I don't mean to imply that he is turning into a bad player or anything all of a sudden, nor do I mean to say that he won't continue to play effectively. It's just that it appears that Yao may not actually return until late March, and for these next two months, we really ought not burn Deke out, use him all up just as we are heading into the playoffs. We really should have another effective BIG MAN to play behind Deke for these next couple of months, and even as Yao works himself back into basketball shape. Even if we pick up a guy who will only be a short-term rental, even if the guy is kind of a knucklehead, it would probably be in our best interests to try to keep Deke as effective as possible heading into the post-season. Other than that, clearly our most pressing need is an effective pg with whom Rafer can share minutes, no question about it.
Steven Hunter is a very good shot-blocker and decent man-to-man post defender. If he's available for a bag of chips, there's no way you turn him down.
and to add to that concern, when we go small, Deek is not effective adn sometimes neither is chuck. We have been outbigged too many times this year, we need frontcourt help. Ive been saying it for weeks now. Everyone b****ing about needing guards, when we only have three bigs without Yao. and on the Snyder deal. I agree we must hang on to him. I highliy doubt Bonzi comes back, and we need what Kirk does.
He's average at best in terms of man to man, and that's probably generous; he's awful at holding his position. And it's pretty easy to turn him down: Next offseason, would you sign Steven Hunter to a 3 year, 10 million dollar deal? I wouldn't, and my guess is, neither would a value guy like Morey. In effect, that's what it comes down to, not including any additional compensation we might have to throw their way.
Would there be any chance to do this trade if we threw in a draft pick or two: Houston Trade Breakdown Outgoing Juwan Howard 6-9 PF from Michigan 9.3 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.4 apg in 26.4 minutes Scott Padgett 6-9 PF from Kentucky 2.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.3 apg in 8.8 minutes Incoming Gerald Wallace 6-7 SF from Alabama 14.0 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.8 apg in 34.2 minutes Sean May 6-9 PF from North Carolina 11.7 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 23.6 minutes Change in team outlook: +14.4 ppg, +4.4 rpg, and +2.0 apg. Charlotte Trade Breakdown Outgoing Gerald Wallace 6-7 SF from Alabama 14.0 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.8 apg in 34.2 minutes Sean May 6-9 PF from North Carolina 11.7 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 23.6 minutes Incoming Juwan Howard 6-9 PF from Michigan 9.3 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.4 apg in 26.4 minutes Scott Padgett 6-9 PF from Kentucky 2.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.3 apg in 8.8 minutes Change in team outlook: -14.4 ppg, -4.4 rpg, and -2.0 apg. Successful Scenario Due to Houston being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
SJC,I think the Bobcats would turn your proposal down. They don't need Juwan and especially not Padgett. Even adding this year's first round pick won't help. They are a young club needing experience but they won't give up their youth unless they can get equal quality IMO.
No. Why would you think that? Just on the stats provided Charlotte would be giving up 58 minutes, 26 points, and 12.5 rebounds per game and trading youth for age. Plus, I don't think they need any cap space.
I feel a backup for Skip is needed. Atkins would be helpful but I doubt West will give him to us.A young PF/C as a future replacement for Deke is needed as well but I would rather have a PG who can shoot better than Skip.
We can not trade KIRK SNYDER....he is the only person I want on Jerry Stackhouse. Battier will slow down josh howard. We have to defend the Mavs and allow Tmac and Yao to score.
my thinking was that he is probably the best shot blocker we could land for the TE. JVG has said a few times that we need a shot blocker to protect the basket. that's a big key to JVG's defense. the contract may be too much to get over, but all we need is a shot blocking center and he's just that. trading for booth is difficult, as you talked about. he's on a very cap friendly contract, so why move him for a TE? only if we give them something in return. a second rounder is probably a bit too much, but if the pic is in the 50's and will probably just end up overseas... i just don't see why the wizards would move an extra big guy who's on a cheap contract. if one of thier bigs go down, he's in the rotation.
