I support the Battier trade and I don't complain about not getting the #24 pick. I mean it's good to have the #24 pick, and I would say the same if they add Mike Miller in the trade. "It's good to have, but not neccessary.." Or let me put it this way. It's like in a situation that you need a pen to sign a contract that you think you could make a profit of one million dollar, but you don't have a pen at the moment, so you go to the store, the guy was telling you, the pen is $20 bucks, you know you are buy the pen at 20 times the market price, but you still buy the pen anyhow..
First, unless you have been in lurk mode for 9 months I humbly submit that you have absolutely NO idea what the prevailing sentiments were about the balance of the trade. I don't have the time of inclinatuion but in the past several months there was an opinion poll on the balance. You are obvioulsy welcome to your opinion but the majority here think we should have gotten the Grizz's pick to balance the trade. Secondly, your expensive pen ran out of ink during the playoffs. A playoffs that could have been made with or without Battier.
I have been around the website for 3 years already, so I know the things ppl complaint about after the Battier trade... Getting Battier was what the management believe could make us a championship contender last year, consider this "potential" when we were doing the trade, there shouldn't be any doubt that the #24 picks was totally optional. Yes, the trade will be an even better trade if they do give us the pick, but without the pick, the trade was still a good trade consider it really did give us a better chance in the playoff, very much more so than if we have Swift and the #8 pick guy (not Rudy Gay) in the team...
First, the logic you are using to justify Battier for the Rockets management is TOTAL BS. They are/were a playoff with Rudy Gay or Battier. History proves the Rockets managment and YOU are full of it. Battier didn't get them past Utah let alone closer to the Spurs, Mavs and Suns. Both of you are entitled to your incorrect opinions. Secondly, my statement was that the prevailing opinion on this board was that the Rockets over paid for Battier and that fact was recognized by even the most ardent Battier supporters here. Anytime you'd like to put your money where your typing hands are, we'll set a price and a tip jar bet for a poll. One of the polls displaying the names of how posters voted.
I really think you should go see a eye doctor and what you wrote is more BS than i thought. I said the management believe Battier could make us a championship contenter, not just a playoff team. Yeah, Battier didn't get us past the first round, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the right decision at the time. For the sake of decision making, sometimes it doesn't turn out to be the way you want it to be even if you make the right move... In regard about your second statement, I was one of the Battier supporter here, your statement isn't true on me, that is one thing i wanted to point out.. And PLEASE, please stop using "others agree" in ur arguement, that's like a girl saying "my mom said"...
It's the problem of CD. CD intentionally supported to trade for a player that cant create his own shoot in order to screw JVG in playoff.
52Ws in the West is hard to ignore, even while developing players was ignored. Gay or Thabo or whomever is unlikely to have resulted in 52 and Rox still would have been stuck with the Stro mistake. Should #24 or some other consideration been there? Yes. When Raps were freed from their hated Rafe should have resulted in more back. CDs tenure seemed to leave 'things on the table' IMHO. On balance I am glad to have Shane and believed in the Alston trade but believed and believe Rox are two assets short. And this team is assets short thus the big rumors are nowhere near the Toy Shop. Cook? Gimme a break. Morey is a neophyte, bright but untested. I am unexcited about the draft this year except for what others will do. I am becoming hopeful that Sean 'Toke' Wms slips to us with a Luke 'miracle'.
52 wins maxed out this teams abilities...they need more talent...the answer is not vmac or novak head snyder etc...james and wells is a good start. battier should be your 4th or 5th best player if you are to win a championship
I think our players are ranked in scoring ability as follows: 1. T-mac 2.Yao 3. James 4.Bonzi 5. Battier
if james and bonzi come to play (more worried about bonzi of course) then thats much better than last years list of tmac yao battier rafer howard ...and people wonder why they lost
very good, but not great. i'd like to see one more player added who can create tiher own shot. i want shane out of the top 5 scoring options. he needs ot be a defensive specialist who can hit an open shot, not a guy called upon to create one. i see him as our bruce bowen.
If we wanted Sheed. We can do a 3-way trade with Detroit and Cleveland that I think Is Fair for all teams involved. (salaries work) Houston Trades: Bob Sura Shane Battier Vspan Rafer Alston Luther Head Detroit Trades: Rasheed Wallace Cleveland Trades: Drew Gooden Damon Jones Houston receives: Rasheed Wallace Damon Jones Detroit receives: Drew Gooden Shane Battier Vspan Cleveland receives: Bob Sura Rafer Alston Luther Head Houston does the trade to get Sheed and still keep the #26 pick. Jones is basically a more expensive replacement for Luther with a little bit better handles. Detroit does it to get rid of the headcase that is sheed. They get Gooden to replace him in the lineup. They also get Battier who can come off the bench or that they can trade later on. They get Vspan to replace Delfino, who they traded to Toronto. Cleveland does it to get point gaurd help and shed some salary. They take Sura's salary off the books and resign Varejao. They also loose Jones' contract and get a cheaper replacement who plays better defense in Head. They get Rafer who can start for them at point gaurd, which would be a huge upgrade since Snow can't shoot, and Gibson is better suited to coming off the bench. I think Rafer would be a lot better with Lebron then he was with Yao and T-Mac. Houston Lineup: Yao/Deke Sheed/Hayes TMac/Snyder/Novak Wells/Snyder James/Jones/Lucas Then use MLE or 26 pick to upgrade the bench. Detroit Lineup: Webber/Mohammed Gooden/Mcdyess/Maxiell Prince/Battier Hamilton/Hunter Billups/Vspan Detroit can then still trade Battier, Mcdyesss for other pieces or use their MLE. Cleveland Lineup: Ilgauskas/? Varejao/Marshall James/Pavlovic Hughes/Head Alston/Gibson/Snow The only 2 problems I can see with this trade is that we basically gut our bench and that Detroit and Cleveland are division rivals.
and cleveland would do that deal for what reason? that would give varejao too much leverage...he is a restricted free agent
I think this team is already better than last year's......hinging on the fact that Bonzi shows up to play. smoothie, to get Battier out of our top 5 scorers what do you suggest we do? I mean out side him and Bonzi and Rafer we dont have much to trade with do we? What if we could get Charlie Bell from Mil.? I dont know his status but he averaged 13.5 points per game. And he can hit the 3
I prefaced my statment by saying scoring ability, he(battier) has the talent to score, but he doesnt have the desire. Now his game could be totally different under Adelman, who knows?
