Sports Illustrated: Rockets offer to Magic was much lower than reported

Yes, Tim Tams!!

 

Confused by what they wanted a young player that they felt is NBA ready, thats where Afflalo came to play

Martin is injury prone and laughs at his own team...seems like we can't give this guy away
Lamb looked good in the Summer league....but so did John Lucas

No doubt the trade sucked for ORL, but in reality it was better than what the Rockets offered. If your a fan of Morey that's good for you, but you have to remember that as a rocket fan you want to relate to a team. How can you relate to a team that trades away everyone.

 

New Orleans wanted him last season before Stern nixed the trade. There is little doubt that we could "Give Him Away" if we wanted but he has a value and we are not going to "Give Him Away". The only thing left is to see if Daryl Morey values what ever is available for him this coming season more than he values the cap room.

Lucas is an under 6' point guard that was not even drafted. Lamb is a shooting guard with prototypical size that many regarded as the best shooting gard in the draft. Big big difference in expectations and potential there.

Did you prefer to relate to a team that was on the mediocre treadmil? Not me, I prefer a GM that is willing to continue to shake things up until he finds the winning formula. Daryl Morey has already proven he will stick with players when they win, just see Yao Ming.

 

They were offering Lamb from the start, sounds like we didn't draft him for ourselves then and they weren't high on him to begin with. Strange, given that we had 7 PFs and no SGs. Either way, glad we didn't pull the trigger.

 

Afflalo is actually a month older than Dwight.

lol you actually think Martin's value is in his play? He's valuable for the $12 million expiring contract.

You're right in that you can't tell a player's level through the summer league. But this goes both ways, just like there is no evidence Lamb will be better than Harkless, there is zero evidence Harkless is going to be better than Lamb.

The picks Orlando got are all well protected, and they won't be getting them for 2, 3 and 5 seasons as the earliest.

The main thing you're missing is Dwight was going to go to LA regardless, Houston would have just replaced Denver and Philly. Of course we wouldn't offer the same trade package for Bynum as the one we made for Dwight.

 

Good, Im glad we didn't offer a lot of our young guys

The apparent offers were offers on our terms

 

Can you explain something to me please?

Why is it that when Dwight was available to be traded and we were talking about it because it was a possibility that we could get him that so many of you kept poopooing the Dwight trade talk AND now that the opportunity is dead you guys want to discuss it?

Does that make any sense? I should bash you ad nauseum like some of you did when we were actually discussing how to acquire him when he was available.

At this point, it just doesn't matter, does it? Whereas before he was traded, it really did matter, didn't it?

You can't go anywhere looking backwards. Please let this thread.....die.

 

No it doesn't make sense.Howard was discussed to death.

 

Its the offseason

 

Morey's plan is to get a Kobe first. Unfortunately, he has been unsuccessful in that goal, but it's been obvious all along and everyone in the organization has said as such, that getting a superstar is their goal until they get a superstar.

 

Good point, people like to complain about Morey, if he makes the move they complain, if he doesn't make the move they complain.

 

Yeah. I said this already. He is stuck between a rock and a hard place. People will never be satisfied.

 

I have no problems with Morey not giving in and throwing the house at Howard, who would probably leave anyways.

I DO, however, have a HUGE gotdamn problem with how the hell Lakers ended up with Dwight, when they didn't even offer anything except Bynum, and he didn't go to the Magic anyways. I have a huge problem with Stern veto a trade that actually helped everybody, to letting this BS trade go through so Lakers have 4 big stars, maybe 5 if you can count Loony Artest.

 

LOL @ the posters here. Compare that offer to what they received, its still better.

Lamb, Morris, contract fillers, Toronto LOTTERY pick, Patterson, KM's expiring contract+ability to dump toxic contracts?

OR

Vucevic, Afflalo, Harrington, lottery protected first rounders?

C'mon man, if you forget everything else and just look at the salary savings+value of picks (guaranteed lottery pick > 3 low first rounders), our offer was superior.

 

LOL at no perspective.

Patterson, Morris, Jones, White, other rockets youngsters have little to NO value to other teams. Lamb had some, but as addressed Lamb was pulled off the table.

Once again the Raptors have upgraded and surely wont have a low lottery pick. Maybe in the 12-14 range. Thats not getting you any real talent. Nothing worth much. Dallas pick is of little value either.

Martin is a salary match that Orlando isn't interested in keeping. So his value is that of an expering contract only.

Get it through your heads. As JVG stated, you through the kitchen sink out to get a superstar like Howard and go from there. Instead the Rockets are stuck in purgatory with no chance of getting a low enough pick to mean anything or to improve greatly over the next 3 years.

 

Lamb wasn't off the table until the lakers came into the picture.I'm very thankful we didn't "through the kitchen sink" for a mental case with busted knees.

 

Orlando wanted to satisfy 3 goals when dealing Dwight right?
1. Shed salary/bad contracts
2. Obtain promising young prospects
3. Obtain draft picks

Let's examine what they got that satisfied their goals:
1. Shed salary/bad contracts
- they managed to give away only Jrich, Duhon, and Clark but took back Harrington and Afflalo's contracts + randoms? Both Harrington and Afflalo's contracts are guaranteed for at least another 3 years. Not to mention both Jrich and Duhon makes way less than Harrington and Afflalo.
2. Obtain promising young prospect
- Afflalo's not really a promising young prospect. I like Afflalo, but he's almost reached his peak or there already.
- Vucevic and Harkless are young prospects and I guess they're promising.
- Honestly Orlando messed up here, they should've asked for Mcgee from Denver instead of Harrington and Afflalo. Maybe they did and Denver said no? But Orlando could've just played hardball and see how much Denver really wanted Iggy.
3. Obtain draft picks
- so they only managed to get back 3 crappy picks
- their own pick should probably be worth something

Let's say there was a 3-way trade with Lakers Houston Orlando. Houston would have taken Jrich + Hedo and Lakers would have still taken Duhon. Orlando would have gotten Kmart's expiring + Lakers' crap pick + the 2 picks from Houston + randoms. Even if the reported withdrawal of JLamb, I find it hard to believe Houston wouldn't have thrown in TJones or RWhite or even both. So in this deal Orlando would have gotten everything they wanted.

 

hehe. well yes, if the Rockets offered the Magic all the picks from #12 to #60, they'd be dumb to refuse.
Getting all those picks = pretty solid chance to get a star.

Btw, Asik, DeAndre, Wilson Chandler, Thornton, etc... these aren't "stars" by any stretch of imagination. At least not yet, and likely never.
But that's besides the point.

 

amnesty is completely irrelevant. You can't even use it on players traded after the lockout.
cutting a partially guaranteed player is a different procedure.

he was a solid rotation guy on a good team.
You are basically throwing out every name who got more minutes or scored more points, regardless of efficiency, talent shown and impact on winning. Not to mention one guy who hasn't played an NBA game yet.

you are in minority here.

Every fan in the NBA has seen this by now 10 times over.
No one is debating that those picks individually are worse than the Raptors pick. We are discussing package as whole here.