(sportime.gr) V-Span to discuss future with Morey today

let me guess...part greek?

 

DaDak, you actually disappointed me in a frikkin' V-Span thread. But I'm too amused to remember what it was.

 

first off he was 24 years old (not some kid out of college), second he has an NBA ready body, third HE GOT TIME BUT IT WAS AT THE 2 NOT AT POINT GET IT!

Oh yeah, he is a first rounder if he was drafted last year not a second rounder, Rockets got him late b/c they took a flyer on him a few years back.

 

suRely

 

Don't make me pull up all the stats and prove you wrong AGAIN on the differences between Manu/Parker and Vspan when they were rooks, DD. Did it once already

But JVG should have developed him a bit more and should be fired

 

22,23 is the age one gets out of college, isnt it?

look, obviously JVG had no interest in delveoping him in the last year of his contract especially given the fact that he was drafted low. Yes, he was screwed in a way. Yes, he should feel upset. JVG will be gone. The new era is coming. New mentality has to be in for Vspan. Otherwise, only he himself will get screwed in this whole deal. He is not an priority in the Rocket's master plan. It's up to him to prove he is first. Say all he want, Rockets still has the up card and two more year of his life. Better learn how to get the best out of the situation.

 

Those stats prove NOTHING, those guys played from Day 1, and knew that no matter what mistakes they made, they were still going to play, and they did, and guess what? They got better because of it.

I will accept your apology next year, when you see what type of player he is, and what he could have been doing THIS year.

DD

 

There must be something else going on in the background. I mean if VSpan is truly full of potential and is showing it in practice, I just don't see why he can't get playing time. Maybe it is simply just Van Gundy wanting to play young players unless forced (Yao and Head I guess).

But stop making excuses for the guy. He's been out on the floor and makes many mistakes. He makes more bad plays than good plays. I was pulling for him too, but he never showed me (as a fan) enough to cry out for more PT for him. So I can only imagine what JVG thought of his play. Whether he's playing the 1 or the 2, who cares. Bad play is bad play.

On a side note, I'm the McGrady back at my home too.

 

One has to trust that JVG is evaluating with an unbiased view
I think DaDa does not beleive JVG is that objective
so
The feeling is . . JVG has a biased opinion of VSpan . . and won't see the truth

Rocket RIver

 

We all want VSpan to succeed since he is a Houston Rocket, but his jumpshot (specifically the 3 pointer) will have to improve drastically. VSpan makes Rafer look like Steve Kerr.

 

VSpan does not have the handles or quickness of Parker. He doesn't have the shooting skills of Manu. He doesn't even have a midrange game at this point.

I totally agree that he should've gotten some minutes, but I think you are venturing off into Dan Langhi territory again with your predictions of greatness when it comes to VSpan.

Your track record isn't great when it comes to predicting the future talent of young players.

 

i still think people had a significantly skewed idea of vspan. he is a rookie combo guard in the nba and has never played 'american style' basketball. It obviously takes time...its have for dam near every guy who has come over.

also, people are assuming that billy was not 'developed' because he did not play significant minutes. I think thats flawed reasoning. He could have very well improved simply by getting accustomed to the demands of the nbaand the team

 

If he plays like a Manu/Parker hybrid, then you will get one. I promise I will.

I hope you get one.

But your posts seem (to me) to imply that VSpan would have allowed us to beat Utah, when (again, to me) the problem was the 4 spot and Yao's inability to stop or even contain Boozer or decently defend a pick and roll.

I don't know. I mean, I am happy with the regular season and blame a lot of why we lost to Utah on Hayes (after games 1 and 2), Juwan, Yao (to an extent), Luther, etc...

If those guys would have played the way they did all season, we would playing GS.

But I am all for a new change in direction, as this has not worked out

 

I think I am going to bring back this gem every time someone compares rookie Spanoulis to Parker, Ginobili, and/or Cassell.

The reason that Spanoulis did not get the minutes that Parker, Ginobili, and Cassell got:
Parker
FG% - .419
3pt% - .323
A/TO - 2.15

Ginobili
FG% - .438
3pt% - .345
A/TO - 1.43

Cassell
FG% - .418
3pt% - .296
A/TO - 2.05

Spanoulis
FG% - .338
3pt% - .192
A/TO - 0.96

As you can see, V-SPAN is the worst in all three categories (I used only the ones that do not put him at an unfair disadvantage because of his reduced minutes), sometimes spectacularly so. You can't be a rotation PG if you have an A/TO ratio of less than 1, there just isn't a coach that is going to play you a lot of minutes with those results, especially if you can't shoot. I don't know why DaDa keeps mentioning these players in relation to V-SPAN. They got more minutes because they were better.

 

oh god

here we go with stats

 

are you kidding me....there isn't a guy who works harder in the offseason than yao....WTF are you talking about?

 

I would love it if VSpan would develop into the player we all hoped he could be when the Rockets signed him. JVG needed him. When he needed Head, he played him. The problem is not that JVG wouldn't play him because he was a rookie, or because he was Euro. The reason he didn't play him was VSpan's attitude, which resulted in bad play, not learning from his mistakes, not allowing coaches to teach him, and gaining assistance in making the tough transition to NBA basketball.

Yao Ming is a far superior player. You've never heard Yao say "I'm the Dream of China," why aren't I playing? Yao failed, but constantly had a good learning spirit, going up against obstacles greater than VSpan, but without excuses, without a bad attitude, every failure, every year learning how to get better and better. Now he's a superstar because of his work habits, attitude and talent, not because he had some great games sometime in the past, where everyone adored him.

Whether JVG handled the situation the wisest is beside the point. What JVG said was right on. Focus on improving, and your play will earn you a spot on the court. If you can't do it in practice, I won't put you in the game.

For VSpan's sake, for Greece, for the Rockets and Rocket fans, I hope VSpan chooses to learn, rather than let other well-meaning fans fill his head with grandiose ideas, and destroy the opportunity he has to succeed on the biggest basketball stage in the world. Whether he has the talent or not is debatable. But, no one will ever know, unless he makes a choice to "get better, not bitter."

 

sherlock is right on. great post.

i don't have a problem with van gundy not playing spanoulis because he for sure wasn't the missing piece of this season but when he did play he was clearly playing the wrong position.

i like what i've seen out of billy and though projecting him as some sort of an all-star is really reaching right now, he's definitely got skills we desperately need. he can penetrate and create, plus he's a bulldog. it'll be interesting to see what happens with the new coach.