Yeah, the Joker switched the addresses. Batman though he was going after Rachel. I'm somewhat surprised that Batman and Gordon never clues Dent in on this. Dent was pissed that they rescued him while they allowed her to die but they never said "hey, Batman tried to save her but the Joker gave him the wrong address."
Okay then my initial reaction is still "OH MY GOD DAMN YOU JOKER YOU F'ING SON OF A b****!!" I seriously didn't see the switch coming.
By telling him that Batman tried to save Rachel but the addresses were switched, that effectively pins the blame on Gordon (because Gordon wasn't able to get to her in time). Of course, that wouldn't be in Batman's character to do that to a friend. Gordon did try to take the blame for it when pleading for the safety of his family.
True. I don't see how telling him that Batman tried to go to Rachel instead would pacify him. His sense of fairness or justice was completely shattered. Rachel, totally innocent, was killed due to chance. Maybe it's not Batman's fault. Maybe it's not Gordon's fault. But that doesn't decide whether they are to be punished -- like Rachel, their fate is left up to chance.
The saddest irony in the film is when Joker says to Batman, "The unstoppable force meets the immovable object. You won't kill me, and you're too fun not to keep around. You and I could do this for years." Great film. I can see that Two Face is still alive. The cover up was more about shifting blame and propping up the good record of Dent without impugning his name. The public doesn't really know about the whole transformation of Dent to Two Face, and the movie doesn't definitively state that he's dead... plus, the Bat himself got up from the same fall (albeit with a body armor suit on, I know..). I also think there are probably enough cut pieces from this film of Ledger's Joker in a jail cell for them to have a scene implying he is in jail, and/or gets killed in prison, etc... So they'll most likely have a brief reference to The Joker in a third Nolan film. Money talks, Nolan will return. As for villians.. I'd love to see a Catwoman and Riddler mixture, along with early exits for Joker and Two Face, similar to the Scarecrow segment in TDK. "I'm gonna make this pencil disappear..."
"Please God, let their me no Catwoman in the next Nolan Batman film. In this your name I pray, Amen."
Favorite moments in the film? Mine: 1. The Disappearing Pencil Trick 2. 3. Two-Face giving Gordon the choice in the warehouse. 4. The Joker telling Batman he "completes" him.
That shot of Joker sticking his head out of the police car is one of the best shots in the film...an iconic moment imo. A couple of others would be his waddle in front of the hospital as it exploded, the first shot of two-face (was NOT expecting that!) and the eighteen wheeler flipping over. In fact that eighteen wheeler flipping over was one of the better action moments I've seen in quite some time; and it wasn't CG.
How come they couldn't get both at the same time? I mean couldn't batman get the girl and the cops get the guy? Why could they only save one?
Joker said he was running out of time. I'm sure Batman was the only one who could feasibly get to one of the locations in time (he obviously has superior equipment/speed). Joker knew Batman would go for Rachel (he saw him jump off a skyscraper for her earlier in the film). Joker switched the addresses knowing this -- thus getting in Batman's head and Dent's in one single event.
That's exactly what they were trying to do. But The Joker switched the addresses and the cops were too late. The Joker was counting on that.
Does anyone know how the Joker actually got his scars? He was changing his story around. At first it was his deadbeat dad and of course the "why so serious?" line, then at the party he told Rachel he did it to himself to try to please his wife or whatever. To me it showed that he was just making those stories up and it further proved that he lives in his own crazy world.
In the comics Joker's history is muddled, there is no clear origin. Even Joker would fake, add, embellish, his history. I don't even think the Joker remembered what all was real and what was fake. So that could play into it.
I wouldn't necessarily agree. The diving save told him that she was important to him, which is why she was kidnapped. The beauty of the switch was Joker didn't have to know whom Batman would go for. Whichever one he decided to save was going to get killed. With the Ferries, I suspect that either detonator would blow up BOTH boats. No win situation. Evan
