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Spider-Man 2

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by AstroRocket, Jun 28, 2004.

  1. mrpaige

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    2010 may be too generous. It sure seems like every time they get the thing going again, they decide to mess with stuff and it falls apart.

    I just think the expectations have the suits at Warners running scared, so they're going to end up micromanaging it into the ground.

    Of course, given that they've been talking about letting McG direct (and now the word is that the movie antichrist Michael Bay is going to direct... or point the camera at a bunch of explosions while not bothering to come up with a storyline. You know, Bay's usual style in everything but The Rock), it's probably better that the movie never gets made.

    Personally, if I were to see a trailer for Superman as directed by Michael Bay and featuring Vin Diesel as Lex Luther, I'd stay far, far away, and I'm a big Supes fan.
     
  2. AstroRocket

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    Just saw it and I must say, this movie was awesome! I love this one so much more than the original it's ridiculous. Not only did this sequel have the action scenes tto capture my imagination, but it also had much better writing that worked on a more adult level to placate my desire for a more credible plot. The reviews Spider-Man 2 in getting are well earned. Definitely the best superhero movie to date for me.

    Don't just take my word for it. Go see it! :D
     
  3. AstroRocket

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    Here's Rogert Ebert's review from the Chicago Sun-Times. Now I'm the last person to think that a critic's opinion should eclipse anyone else's personal experience or preferences, but I feel Ebert's review describes the movie almost exactly like I would. Must be nice to get paid for that stuff.

    (Also, surfguy, I understand if you feel you a bit too mature for movies of the superhero genre, but I think you should see this one the big screen. The action scenes really kick ass that way. If I were you, though, I guess I'd probably wait for it to hit the dollar theaters. No need to pay all that money for a film you're not pumped for).


    http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert1/cst-ftr-spider29f.html

    SPIDER-MAN 2 / **** (PG-13)

    June 29, 2004



    BY ROGER EBERT



    Now this is what a superhero movie should be. "Spider-Man 2" believes in its story in the same way serious comic readers believe, when the adventures on the page express their own dreams and wishes. It's not camp and it's not nostalgia, it's not wall-to-wall special effects and it's not pickled in angst. It's simply and poignantly a realization that being Spider-Man is a burden that Peter Parker is not entirely willing to bear.

    The movie demonstrates what's wrong with a lot of other superhero epics: They focus on the superpowers, and short-change the humans behind them. (Has anyone ever been more boring, for instance, than Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne?)

    "Spider-Man 2" is the best superhero movie since the modern genre was launched with "Superman" (1978). It succeeds by being true to the insight that allowed Marvel Comics to upturn decades of comic-book tradition: Readers could identify more completely with heroes like themselves than with remote godlike paragons. Peter Parker was an insecure high school student, in grade trouble, inarticulate in love, unready to assume the responsibilities that came with his unexpected superpowers. It wasn't that Spider-Man could swing from skyscrapers that won over his readers; it was that he fretted about personal problems in the thought balloons above his Spidey face mask.

    Parker (Tobey Maguire) is in college now, studying physics at Columbia, more helplessly in love than ever with Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst). He's on the edge of a breakdown: He's lost his job as a pizza deliveryman, Aunt May faces foreclosure on her mortgage, he's missing classes, the colors run together when he washes his Spider-Man suit at the Laundromat, and after his web-spinning ability inexplicably seems to fade, he throws away his beloved uniform in despair. When a bum tries to sell the discarded Spidey suit to Jonah Jameson, editor of the Daily Bugle, Jameson offers him $50. The bum says he could do better on eBay. Has it come to this?

    I was disappointed by the original "Spider-Man" (2002), and surprised to find this film working from the first frame. Sam Raimi, the director of both pictures, this time seems to know exactly what he should do, and never steps wrong in a film that effortlessly combines special effects and a human story, keeping its parallel plots alive and moving. One of the keys to the movie's success must be the contribution of novelist Michael Chabon to the screenplay; Chabon understands in his bones what comic books are, and why. His inspired 2000 novel The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay chronicles the birth of a 1940s comic book superhero and the young men who created him; he worked on the screen story that fed into Alvin Sargent's screenplay.

    The seasons in a superhero's life are charted by the villains he faces (it is the same with James Bond). "Spider-Man 2" gives Spider-Man an enemy with a good nature that is overcome by evil. Peter Parker admires the famous Dr. Otto Octavius (Alfred Molina), whose laboratory on the banks of the East River houses an experiment that will either prove that fusion can work as a cheap source of energy, or vaporize Manhattan. To handle the dangerous materials of his experiments, Octavius devises four powerful tentacles that are fused to his spine and have a cyber-intelligence of their own; a chip at the top of his spine prevents them from overriding his orders, but when the chip is destroyed, the gentle scientist is transformed into Doc Ock, a fearsome fusion of man and machine, who can climb skyscraper walls by driving his tentacles through concrete and bricks. We hear him coming, hammering his way toward us like the drums of hell.

    Peter Parker, meanwhile, has vowed that he cannot allow himself to love Mary Jane, because her life would be in danger from Spider-Man's enemies. She has finally given up on Peter, who is always standing her up; she announces her engagement to no less than an astronaut. Peter has heart-to-hearts with her and with Aunt May (Rosemary Harris), who is given full screen time and not reduced to an obligatory cameo. And he has to deal with his friend Harry Osborn (James Franco), who likes Peter but hates Spider-Man, blaming him for the death of his father (a k a the Green Goblin, although much is unknown to the son).

    There are special effects, and then there are special effects. In the first movie I thought Spider-Man seemed to move with all the realism of a character in a cartoon. This time, as he swings from one skyscraper to another, he has more weight and dimension, and Raimi is able to seamlessly match the CGI and the human actors. The special-effects triumph in the film is the work on Doc Ock's four robotic tentacles, which move with an uncanny life, reacting and responding, doing double takes, becoming characters on their own.

    Watching Raimi and his writers cut between the story threads, I savored classical workmanship: The film gives full weight to all of its elements, keeps them alive, is constructed with such skill that we care all the way through. In a lesser movie from this genre, we usually perk up for the action scenes but wade grimly through the dialogue. Here both stay alive, and the dialogue is more about emotion, love and values, less about long-winded explanations of the inexplicable (it's kind of neat that Spider-Man never does find out why his web-throwing ability sometimes fails him).

    Tobey Maguire almost didn't sign for the sequel, complaining of back pain; Jake Gyllenhaal, another gifted actor, was reportedly in the wings. But if Maguire hadn't returned (along with Spidey's throwaway line about his aching back), we would never have known how good he could be in this role.

    Dunst is valuable, too, bringing depth and heart to a girlfriend role that in lesser movies would be conventional. When she kisses her astronaut boyfriend upside-down, it's one of those perfect moments that rewards fans of the whole saga; we don't need to be told she's remembering her only kiss from Spider-Man.

    There are moviegoers who make a point of missing superhero movies, and I can't blame them, although I confess to a weakness for the genre. I liked both of the "Crow" movies, and "Daredevil," "The Hulk" and "X2," but not enough to recommend them to friends who don't like or understand comic books. "Spider-Man 2" is in another category: It's a real movie, full-blooded and smart, with qualities even for those who have no idea who Stan Lee is. It's a superhero movie for people who don't go to superhero movies, and for those who do, it's the one they've been yearning for.
     
  4. DUDE

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    Here is a question for everyone that saw the movie. Did you see Stan Lee? He appeared in ONE small scene in which I saw him but it was soooo quick I was hoping to see him more.
     
  5. KaiSeR SoZe

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    yeah I saw him, I think he was somewhere on the street
     
  6. DUDE

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    Yeah, it happened so fast though...
     
  7. AstroRocket

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    I think I did. Did he save someone from getting hit by falling debris or something? Dammit, I can't quite remember.
     
  8. mrpaige

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    Apparently, Spider-Man 2 is on pace to break the record for a Wednesday opening day currently held by The Return of the King. It has to hit $34.5 million to beat it.

    It may even beat the best opening day ever (which was set by the first Spider-Man. It needs $39.4 million for that one).

    These numbers include the last night sneaks from last night, as well.
     
  9. The_Yoyo

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    yeah stan lee saved a lady when spidey and ock were fighting outside of the bank from falling debris


    seriously this is one of the best, if not the best superhero film i have seen a great summer movie that had the perfect blend of action as well as insight into the struggle that peter parker has to go through. it is well worth the price of admission, so to all you guys that say are 'too poor' and download bootleg copies off of kazaa or irc just put down the 6-10 bucks to go see it its well worth it

    i had the added bonus of being able to see it in the westwood village theater where they had the world premiere last night, one of the best theaters in all of so cal imo.

    great movie i cant recommend it enough especially with all the crappy action movies out right now
     
  10. fredy

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    This movie was definitely worth it. Go see it.
     
  11. Refman

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    <sniff> That's beautiful man. :)
     
  12. rocketsfan34

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    This movie was SO MUCH better than first one.

    Plus it was double bonus that I got to watch it with shaq and his family.
     
  13. Lil Pun

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    WOW!!! It grossed over $40 million yesterday alone. :eek:
     
  14. Another Brother

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    BORING.

    kirsten dunst is not that cute.
    if i wanted to see a romance, i'd watch lifetime.
    what the hell happened to the web?
    john was a b****.
    franco was the best thing in the movie.

    for those of you who liked it, great.
    for those of you that didn't, you are not alone.
     
  15. Drexlerfan22

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    I must say... as a guy who is a big comic fan, I gotta give this movie 2 scores:

    score for people who never read the comics: 9/10

    score for people who read the comics: 6/10

    I'm sorry, it was really good and all that, but where I thought they kinda killed the overall character in the first one, they REALLY killed him in this one. The screenwriter made him into your typical brooding superhero in these movies, when he's really notorious as one of the more happy-go-lucky heroes around. When I heard that "here's your change" quip, I thought "hmm, we may have something here." But that was really it. Yeah, he did have some of these identity issues in the comic, but it was never to this degree and it was really never the focus.

    To reiterate, it was a good movie. Just thought I'd warn people that having read the comics may give you a different set of expectations than everyone else, which IMO will be disappointed.
     
  16. MadMax

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    are you sure you read the comics?? :D seriously, i remember peter parker as the most human super-hero. the one with real frailties. real weaknesses. who was insecure about who he was...about his relationship with the girl he loved...etc. he's really kind of a dork...but he's so likeable. what i hear of the movie, which i'm going to see tomorrow night, is exactly the same.
     
  17. Red Chocolate

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    Question: Why do people clap during movies? I never understood this.

    I saw Spiderman 2 at a 12 AM premier showing, and thought it was good for its genre. Lots of applause from the crowd at the end. .:confused:
     
  18. Rocketman95

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    I hate that too. It's only acceptable when the director or stars are in the audience, IMO.
     
  19. Oski2005

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    I've seen twice in less than 24 hours, i've never done that before for any movie. Last night, me and my friend were hanging out after dinner and I just said, "man, we should check out Spider-Man 2 again." My buddy then goes "Go look up the times, let's do it."


    Drexfan, I gotta say, I disagree with your argument. The whole Spider-Man no more aspect comes from Amazing #50, right down the the scene of Pete walking away from the costume in a trashcan.

    Also, as funny as Spidey is, he does suffer. Everybody the guy cares about seems to be effected by him being Spider-Man. The Green Goblin kills his girlfriend Gwen Stacey, the GG turns out to be his best friends father, his best friend becomes the GG and later dies too, etc. Hell, not that long ago, Mary Jane seperated from Peter Parker and moved out the LA in the comics.

    BTW, did anybody notice John Landis's cameo. I know who he is in the movie, but I swear when I see him, I can't tell it's him at all and if I wasn't told, I'd never know. He plays Peter's doctor btw.

    Edit* The more I think about it, there's no way that was Landis, he must have been one of the Dr. trying to saw the tenticles off of Doc Ock.
     
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    i thought it focused way too much on peter parker being conflicted. okay, i get it, he's not sure if he wants to be spiderman, being spiderman is tough, good, lets move on. i got tired of waiting for peter parker to talk. say the line already! and there wasn't enough action for my taste at all.

    i never saw the first spiderman and wondered how it did so well and this confirmed all my suspicions that it wasn't as good as to me as people were making it out to me. a good movie, but certainly nothing great.

    critics love stories over action though so i guess they got what they wanted.

    will be crazy to see just how much it pulls in with a wednesday start and july 4th weekend coming up. should be enormous.
     

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