is anyone surprised that with Kerry becoming the front runner that the Republican smear campaign would begin to churn? Kerry supports faith-programs - check Kerry pushed a dividend tax cut before Bush - check Help laughed investigation that exposed Reagan and Ollie Norths Iran-contra scham - check Served as Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs investigating POW/MIAs in Vietnam - check Voted Against the Defense of Marriage Act Protect the Environment from money-hungry oil drillers - check Tried (along with McCain) to raise fuel economy standards but was blocked by Republicans - check Authored bill to provide grants to woman starting small businesses - check Teamed with McCain to insure Internet is a tax-free place- check Voted AGAINST every Bush Tax-cut - check Proposed reducing capital-gains ttax to zero in key industries - check Offered tax incentives to companies to keep jobs in America - check Was first Dem to support Gramm-Rudman-Hollings budget balancing legislation - check Supported school vouchers - check Proposed rich pay higher medicare premiums - check Proposed moving past affirmative action - check co-sponsered a "two-strikes and your out" bill - check Worked with Bill Frist (r) to increase AIDS funding - check Worked with Kit Bond (r) to increase day care - including religious groups - check Supports adding 40,000 troops to military - check Supports work requirements for Welfare - check
Interesting that you bring this up. When questioned by a GI on MTV as to how Kerry would add all these troops to the military without instituting a draft, Kerry groped for an answer and found nothing. The GI was left very disappointed. I sure hope this isn't a sign of more empty promises to come. Sadly, I expect that it is.
Kerry is also the same guy who voted against nearly every weapons system we have today! Yeah, he's real strong on defense. Sure.....
So hard to decide whom I should believe when it comes to weapons systems. A mature, repeatedly decorated veteran with combat experience and decades of public service... ...or the dynamic duo of a young investment nerd and a young sports journalist with some experience in the marines. I'll have to mull this over. Hmmm...
Well SizzleChest, you can rest assured that Bob Dole, a *real* war hero who didn't turn his back on his country and throw away his medals, was on the other side of those anti-military votes that Kerry was casting.
So, those three Purple Hearts he earned after *volunteering* to serve in Vietnam are less important than his audacity to criticize a war he saw firsthand. However, those who dodged the war with family connections but publicly endorsed the war -- well, those are the true patriots. Got it.
I'm sure those poor, discriminated-against, rich people would be proud to know that you have come to their defense and are here in the Clutch BBS to fight for their rights. Good job.
They don't. Rich people get the same number of votes as everyone else, one. You don't have to vote for the candidate that spends the most money you know.
One of my favorite, and most useful, phrases: "deliberately obtuse." Because no one can really be that naive.
They have just as much freedom to say what they want as I do. Money has nothing to do with freedom of speech. If a rich person wants to say something, s/he has as much right as the next guy/gal. They just shouldn't be allowed to buy the access to and influence on politicians. I can't do that and they shouldn't be able to, either.
andy, i couldn't agree more, and it looks like david brooks agrees with you too: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/07/opinion/07BROO.html -- Kerry's Special Friends By DAVID BROOKS John Kerry has been railing against the special interests, and I don't think that's very nice because it implies that some people's interests are not so special. I like to think that everybody's interests are special in their own way. What's more, I think Kerry knows this, because if you look over his long career, you see that he loves all our interests, big and small, near or far. For example, a Chinese businesswoman named Liu Chaoying dreamed of having her company listed on a U.S. stock exchange. That's certainly a special dream. Maybe as a little girl she would come home from school, gather up her little dollies and tell them about her dream of ringing the bell to start the trading day, or of having little Lucite tombstones on her desk to mark her mergers and acquisitions. Maybe some of the other little girls in school told her she'd never have a company on a U.S. exchange, because you know how cruel little kids can be. But she had an interest, and to her it was the most specialest interest in the world. And she kept at it. And that cute little girl grew up to become a lieutenant colonel in China's People's Liberation Army, which is a very special army, even measured against the armies of other human rights-violating dictatorships. And what's more, she had a $300,000 bank account with funds supplied by the head of Chinese intelligence, which is certainly quite special indeed. And Liu came to America in search of her dream, for this is the nation of dreams. And she went to see a most special man named Johnny Chung. And in July 1996, according to Newsweek, Chung took Liu to see his special friend John Kerry about her dream, and Kerry recognized its specialness. So his aides faxed over a letter to the S.E.C. about the dream, and the very next day Liu and Chung had a private briefing with a senior S.E.C. official about making her special dream come true. And then a few weeks after that, Johnny Chung threw a fund-raiser for John Kerry in Beverly Hills. And John Kerry came away with $10,000 in contributions, and I like to think they were very special contributions. I like to think they were written on special designer checks, maybe with rainbows or kittens or Chinese long-range missile designs shaded on the back, because special dreams deserve special checks, and when a man as special as John Kerry takes up an interest, I think that makes it a special interest all by itself. Liu Chaoying's interest was not the only interest John Kerry took a special interest in. According to The Associated Press, Kerry took a special interest in the insurance giant American International Group. When Senator John McCain proposed legislation that would have ended a federal contracting loophole benefiting A.I.G., Kerry did not look away, as others might have done. A loophole may not seem like much to you and me, but to A.I.G. it was a very special loophole — the cuddly kind of loophole you can hold under the blankets and tell your secrets to late at night. And according to The A.P., John Kerry preserved the little loophole. And by sheer coincidence, A.I.G. donated $30,000 to help start Kerry's presidential campaign. While sitting on the commerce and finance committees, John Kerry has seen many interests, and you could forgive him if he didn't think they were all special. But Kerry has raised more money from Washington lobbyists than any other senator. He's raised over $30 million over the past nine years, and you just ask the folks in the telecom industry if he doesn't make them feel special. You just ask David Paul, one of the big figures in the savings and loan scandal, if Kerry didn't make him feel special. You just ask the high-tech executive Bob Majumder how special Kerry made him feel, at least until Majumder was charged with 40 counts of conspiracy, witness tampering, fraud, tax evasion and illegal campaign contributions. You just ask the law firms, the brokerage houses, the oil companies, the H.M.O.'s and the drug companies, which have donated tens of thousands of dollars to Kerry. Oh, he sometimes pretends that he doesn't care about our special interests. He puts on that callous populist facade. But deep down he cares. Maybe he cares too much. When he's out on the stump saying otherwise, he's just being a big old phony.__
LOL, this is the best Brooks can come up with? A donation from AIG? Do you know anything about AIG? It's one of the largest corporations in the world, bigger than a small country. It gives the maximum allowable to pretty much every major political campaign. In fact, it and its executives donated heavily to Bush 1 and Bush 2's campaigns after Bush 1 allowed to begin selling insurance in China. http://www.tpj.org/reports/gusher/profiteers.html Quel Scandal! The great part of all this tsk tsking is that it is being done by the same right wingers who have smashed every possible fundraising recrod for GWB 04. Absurd.
The early popularity if Dean's campaign showed the yearning of America's everyman to have a candidate that derived his support from people instead of from the moneyed. It's too bad his physical appearance sends visual keys of insanity. The scary thing to me is that all the comon people have to speak for them is the free press and with every passing merger and the demise of local papers that source is being depleted.
Too true. With all the partisan parties on this board, it's funny that in the end both sides are pretty much getting spat upon equally by the powerful, because the powerful make policy for everyone - liberal, conservative, Republicrat, or otherwise. Not surprisingly, some have managed to convince themselves that by blindly supporting those who are already powerful (and don't really need their support anyway) that they're somehow not getting screwed - since they're agreeing with it. It's a comforting fiction, I guess. But, in the end, we all have more in common with one another than any one of us does with Dick Cheney or John Kerry. Even the diehard conservatives, though they'll never recognize it. They'd rather continue to believe that they're somehow bestest buddies with the wealthy and powerful - even though it's always been a one-sided relationship
Kerry is a hypocrite for roaring about special interests in the white house when he takes plenty of donations from special interests himself. Dammit, why didn't the republicans nominate McCain over Bush back in 2000! I don't know why I'm saying this right now. If we had to have a rebublican in the oval office, why couldn't it have been him? Man it pisses me off.
more, from the AP: "Back when federal lawmakers legally could be paid for speaking to outside groups, John Kerry collected more than $120,000 in fees from interests as diverse as big oil, tobacco, the liquor lobby and unions. Between 1985 and 1990, Kerry's first five years in the Senate from Massachusetts, he pocketed annual amounts slightly under the limits for speaking fees set by Congress. Unlike many colleagues, he donated a speaking fee to charity only once." http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/bw-elect/2004/feb/09/020906830.html
I agree with those that have said that it's a non-issue. But perhaps Kerry is baiting the issue. By getting the Republicans to try and use this as an issue, it might divert from other Republican issues in which they usually have an advantage. Plus once the issue is open, then it will be open season. There are Cheney's energy meetings, Haliburton and it's numerous mess ups. Sam Fisher already mentioned every federal judge appointment from Bush's folks having donated to Bush's campaign. There's the Carlysle group, for defense, the ties to drug companies, and Bush's pro Pharmaceutical legislation etc. The list goes on and on. So if this does become a serious issue in a Kerry vs. Bush battle for the Whitehouse then Kerry can probably win the issue, and at the very least it comes out a draw. Once that's done Kerry still has the whole integrity issue, diplomatic ability, economy, etc. This would be an issue I would leave alon if I were Kerry, but if they do tackle it, at the worst, it comes out a draw. Actually I think Kerry's only using it during primary season to seem like he's not a Washington insider, which he clearly is.
here's another new one, from MSNBC: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4264134/ -- Tarnished Taiwanese-American donated big senatorial money By Robert Windrem Producer NBC News Updated: 1:07 p.m._ET Feb. 17, 2004 Senator John Kerry, D-MA, unwittingly tried to help a Chinese espionage agent and arms dealer in 1996 in return for campaign contributions for his Senate reelection campaign, according to congressional and other documents, interviews, and photographs. The arms dealer, the daughter of the man who was then the second-highest ranking official in China's military, did not get what she wanted -- a listing for her company on a United States stock exchange -- but Kerry was able to get her a meeting at the Securities and Exchange commission, after a business associate of hers provided him with campaign contributions and the promise of more help.__ The woman, Liu Chao Ying, worked in high ranking positions for two companies responsible for brokering one of the biggest and most controversial arms sales of the 1990's -- a $300-million missile deal with Pakistan._ The two companies were sanctioned by the United States for their deals with Pakistan. In 1996, Senator John Kerry was locked in a hard-fought and close reelection campaign with Massachusetts Governor William Weld._ Kerry was the policy wonk, noted for his expertise in international crime, arms and drug dealing, and intelligence. Although America's richest public servant -- married to a woman, Teresa Heinz, then worth an estimated $800-million -- he could not use that wealth in his campaign. So, he relied on doing what every political candidate does:_ seeking big bucks contributions from people with deep pockets._ And, in 1996, few had more money to burn than Johnny Chung, a Taiwanese-American entrepreneur from Artesia, California._ Chung gave $10,000 to Kerry's campaign -- most of it illegally -- hosted a fund-raising party in Beverly Hills, and threw in an extra $10,000 to honor Kerry at a Democratic Senate Campaign Committee event._ Kerry eventually returned all the Chung money. In return, Kerry opened a door for a friend of Chung: Liu Chaoying. "Who is Colonel Liu?" asked William Triplett, a former Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffer and author of two books on Chinese influence in US politics._ "She began her military intelligence career with Chinese Navy intelligence._ She has been, in succession, assistant to the President of the China National Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation and the China Great Wall Industries Corporation, both of whom have been sanctioned twice -- in 1991 and 1993 -- by the United States for ballistic missiles sales to Pakistan._ She later became president of China Aerospace Industrial Holdings Ltd. and she made illegal campaign contributions to the Clinton Gore ticket and John Kerry in 1996. "She is a communist,” says Triplett; she is a high-tech spy; she is an arms broker and she met Bill Clinton at a fund raiser and John Kerry in his Senate office." More than anything else, the saga of John Kerry, Johnny Chung and Liu Chao Ying, as laid out in a series of interviews, court records, campaign finance disclosure forms and bank documents obtained by NBC News, is a story of what can happen when the pursuit of campaign cash gets out of hand._ Sightseeing tour The story begins with a sightseeing tour._ Chung took Liu Chao Ying, then vice president of China Aerospace International Holdings (CASIL), and three other Chinese business people to Washington in late July, 1996 for a general tour of nations capital._ Chung had helped Ms. Liu get a United States visa on July 16 and on July 22 -- the day after she arrived in California from Hong Kong -- an introduction and a picture with President Bill Clinton at a Democratic National Committee fundraiser._ Chung had paid $40,000 to bring her and others to two events that night, just as he had in the past with other Chinese officials. Chung was paying Ms. Liu's way in hopes that they could do business._ "It was upfront money for him", said a source close to Chung. "It was always his M.O.." Chung had been introduced to Liu by someone who knew of Chung's connections with the Clinton White House.__ And Chung did indeed have connections, visiting the executive mansion on 52 occasions from 1994 to 1996. The trip to Washington, following the introduction to Clinton in Los Angeles and a sightseeing tour of New York, was one way for Chung to show those connections and his high style._ Chung was showing off, matching his "guanxi" – the Chinese concept of business relationships -- with one of China's "princelings" -- the sons and daughters of the Peoples' Republic. Ms. Liu was part old China, part new._ A lieutenant-colonel in the Chinese Peoples' Liberation Army, she was the daughter of China's most powerful soldier, who also sat on the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party._ But_ she is also U.S. educated, an English speaker with a fancy for Chanel suits bought on Rodeo Drive, and an inveterate gambler who could be found in Macau's better casinos. To U.S. intelligence, she is also "player" in the arms trade -- and not small arms, but nuclear-capable missiles.__ Senior U.S. intelligence officials note that she helped put together the 1991 sale of Chinese M-11 missiles to Pakistan – a $300-million deal that led to United States sanctions against both her Chinese company and Pakistani companies. "She has been around for a long time... one of the cadre's kids," said one US intelligence official._ "She hasn't been selling sewing machines." Chung has told investigators, while he knew her money came from the China’s Peoples Liberation Army’s intelligence arm, he was unaware of her arms dealings, thinking instead she was interested in consumer goods, like auto parts._ But he did know she was a serious businesswoman… and the daughter of a powerful Chinese general who was so powerful, the Defense Intelligence Agency described him the year before as “vice chairman of the Communist Party”…“the senior most Peoples Liberation Army officer on the party’s powerful Military Commission”… “The PLA’s preeminent expert on military research and development, technology acquisition and equipment modernization” and “the primary spokesman for military modernization with the PLA.”_ In short, General Liu was one of a handful of people who ran China. Whatever Chung knew, Ms. Liu knew what she was interested in…getting a foothold in the United States._ Another of Chung’s guests, a "Mr. Yao", asked Chung to help him get "general information" on how to bring Chinese companies to the New York Stock Exchange. Chung realized he needed to request a meeting with the Securities and Exchange Commission, but didn't know how._ So he called a Kerry aide who had been "hitting him up for campaign cash," as one of Chung's friends recalled._ Kerry's people had learned of Chung's largesse from DNC's Richard Sullivan._ Sullivan had been the party's point man in dealing with Chung, who by that point had delivered $351,000 to the DNC and Democratic candidates. The Kerry campaign aide was only too happy to answer Chung's question, "Who would we call?"_ Luckily, Kerry was on the Senate Banking Committee, which has jurisdiction over the SEC.__ So Chung arranged for a meeting in Kerry's office on Capitol Hill for his guests, including Ms. Liu, sometime in the last week of July -- he doesn’t have the date.__ It was a 10-minute meeting.__ Kerry agreed to fax a request to SEC asking that they meet with the group.__ Chung watched as Kerry's office faxed the letter._ It worked. Mr. Yao and Ms. Liu got their meeting at the SEC, who had two of its international finance officials meet with them and Chung promised to help Kerry in an unspecified way. In a handwritten note written the next week, Kerry thanked Chung for being willing "to help with my campaign" and added, “it means a lot to have someone like you on my team”._____ Kerry initially denied he'd met Chung before the fundraiser, then called the timing of the SEC meeting and the fundraiser "totally coincidental." As time passes Within weeks, things began to happen._ Chung and Liu agreed to do business together, setting up a company called Marswell Investments._ On August 9, Chung and Liu filed incorporation papers in California, listing Liu as president and Chung as registered agent._ In the first week of August, Ms. Liu wired $300,000 to Chung's Hong Kong bank account._ On August 15, Chung has told investigators he moved $80,000 from Hong Kong to his California Federal account in Los Angeles, transactions that show up on Chung bank records obtained by NBC News. Chung, who was always a soft touch for the Democrats, quickly put Ms. Liu's money to work.__ Did Chung know at the time that the money he was giving to the Democrats came from the People's Liberation Army... as he later told investigators? Three days later, after the money arrived at Cal Fed, Chung gave $20,000 to the DNC to buy tickets to Clinton's 50th birthday party at Radio City Music Hall in New York._ Then, the next week, on August 28 and 29, Chung was in Chicago at McCormick Place for the Democratic National Convention, giving two more checks totaling $15,000._ On the 29th, he gave $1,000 to the Loretta Sanchez congressional campaign._ Also at the convention, Kerry asked Chung to host a fund-raiser in California, following up on the commitment Chung had made during the meeting in Kerry's office a month before. On September 9, Chung hosted a Beverly Hills party for Kerry._ The price of admission: $2,000 a person -- the maximum anyone can give to an individual Senate candidate.__ But Chung wanted to give more._ So, as he admitted in his guilty plea earlier this year, Chung had four of his employees give $2,000 each and then reimbursed them -- illegal under the campaign finance laws._ He later pled guilty to the illegal bundling._ [There is no evidence Kerry knew of the illegality.] On September 28, Chung gave another $10,000 to the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee at a Boston dinner honoring Kerry and President Clinton._ The entertainment that night: Whoopi Goldberg, Don Henley, Carly Simon, Crosby Stills Nash & Young and Peter Paul & Mary._ It was Kerry's campaign fund that solicited Chung's help, faxing him an invitation two weeks earlier. Were these contributions part of the $300,000 Ms. Liu gave Chung the first week of August?_ It would appear to be, but there is no clear answer._ Chung has told investigators that the total drawn from Ms. Liu's deposits came to only $35,000, but admits there is no way to tell, since all of Chung's money by that point was commingled with that of his new partner, Ms. Liu._ There was money coming in from a variety of sources. And what was the ultimate source of the money?_ Chung later told investigators and an open Congressional hearing that General Ji Shengde, the number two in Chinese military intelligence might have been the ultimate source, describing a meeting in the basement of a Hong Kong restaurant where Ji told him of a plan to funnel $300,000 to the Clinton campaign, explaining “we like your president”.__ Kerry could not have known, until Chung pleaded guilty and began talking to investigators in March, 1998, that the money he needed so desperately back then was tainted -- perhaps even the product of arms-dealing._ Now, however, he may be asked new questions as he runs for President._ Robert Windrem is an investigative producer for NBC News, based in New York.
"unwittingly" "could not have known" You're like 0 for 4 in attempted scandal/smears the last few weeks on Kerry. The boy is teflon, at least to the weak stuff you guys are bringing. Next.
