What? "Well, we already killed hundreds of thousands of people, so why not kill a couple hundred thousand more people." Your first post was anti-Japanese. This one is "Once a killer, always a killer"? I dunno. What is the logic?
They weren't flying into LA unannounced hitting our cities. Their navy was crippled at Midway. I don't think it's right to hit civilians even if they were launching kamikaze flights on us. Which is a sign of your opponents being on the ropes btw. They were prepared to fight hard, but this lie that they wouldn't surrender has little merit. They did surrender, but not because we slaughtered civilians. They surrendered because they knew they couldn't win. Why not demonstrate it on a smaller target first and show your power. It is not needed to kill civilians when you have their navy defeated. You can blockade their island just as easily in fact. The bomb was a decision made with no respect for human life. Not to mention my main argument: we had options and we didn't even bother exhausting simple ones. I used to be in aw of that bomb and thought that it was an amazing event and that we had the right, even duty, to drop it. So less of ours died right? But they were civilians! Put yourself in the shoes of a kid getting radiation poisoning and vomiting up his lungs as pieces of his skin fall off because we were too weak to fight like ******* men.
Texx and T_J doing the tag-team pro-wrestling thing. Maybe it's all supposed to be exhausting. A United States President gets to kill tens of thousands of Americans by inaction and is cooking up some phony Biden corruption report using his Roy-Cohn Attorney General AND trashing the post office so the mail-in election is a shambles. All to keep a job so he can kill more of us and stay out of prison (*cough!* Deutsche Bank *cough!*). And his trolls are always there, shielding him.
Well, I'm going to have to give that one to you. Harry Truman, from peaceful good-folks aw-shucks Missouri, with little back-and-forth with the world outside our borders, gives the go-ahead for us to torch tens of thousands of civilians rather than dropping the bombs, say, in the vast inland harbor where the Japanese Navy.... No! I've fallen into dachuda's trap! Save yourself....go on without me! And who says Trump is stupid and out of touch? YOH-seh-might. YOH-seh-might. His assistants face-palming backstage. "He didn't." "He did." "Why didn't you put 'Rocky Mountain National Park'?" Whew. Out of the trap.
You really should study up on the political nature of the world at the time. The nuclear bomb was not a sudden surprise to the world. Do you think Japan was just going to stand down by dropping a nuclear bomb in the middle of the desert? This isn't 2020 with spy satellite and cameras on very corner. The nukes were dropped on the most optimal military targets. Dropping them on a rural mountaintop of Japan would have showed weakness. Again, they are not going to back down if you nuke a few trees. Additionally, I am not sure why you're being so critical of civilian casualties when the Allies were directly targeting civilian neighborhoods in Germany. Nuclear supremacy ended the war, not the defeat of Japan. If we 'manned up' as you so eloquently put it and decided to invade Japan, the death toll would have been exponentially higher on both sides and would have laid waste to Japan. Meanwhile while we were 'manning up' in Japan, The Soviet Union would have steam rolled Europe and Asia. I think you would be better served to understand the dangers of having extreme ideology between Nationalist and Socialists. While Trump is not going to become supreme dictator of the world, he is allowing that dangerous extreme Nationalistic ideology to breed and spread.
Miscamble's book cited above discusses the mortality estimates of continued war and an eventual U.S. invasion of Japan--up to 1.5 million additional lives might have been lost. As I recall, that would have been over 100,000 U.S. combat deaths, while Japan in 1945 was killing between 100,000 and 250,000 noncombatants every month. There were higher estimates as well: "A study done for Secretary of War Henry Stimson's staff by William Shockley estimated that invading Japan would cost 1.7–4 million American casualties, including 400,000–800,000 fatalities, and five to ten million Japanese fatalities. The key assumption was large-scale participation by civilians in the defense of Japan.[16]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall#Estimated_casualties Miscamble argues that dropping the bombs was morally justified.
to one of your points, people should really understand the pre-nuke fire bombings of Germany and Japan to put Hiroshima and Nagasaki in context. Not making excuses but just trying to appreciate #nogoodoptions.
