the russian gymnast, well she was sort of robbed. and she is best.... 9.432 for the vault? rofl, what a joke score. and the vault was not set up properly and caused a lot of gymnasts to mess up and caused her to fall on her a$$ so yeah she has been robbed twice. and she is a lot more graceful and smooth than the paterson.
They have one routine that they pretty much go with regardless. If your routine has a 10.0 start value, like Hamm's did, changing it to make it harder wouldn't have made it any different, score wise.
if the Korean got the gold, and it turned out Hamm was supposed to have won, would THEY give it back? I highly doubt it.
But at least, most of the time, you can decide the outcome on the field of battle. So I give boxing a pass there.
Yeah is so freaking sad about sports that needs human judges. It's totally unfair to the athletes. There should be a better system for judging these sports. Maybe allowing replays.
I thought they were assuredly not going to take away Hamm's gold but rather thinking about giving the Korean the gold as well, like Salt Lake? I don't understand the hostility; I'm Korean myself and as I was watching I felt that there was a huge discrepancy in the score that Yang got. It was still fun to see Hamm pull it out...I'm sure the Koreans just want a gold for Yang, not to yank Hamm's away from him.
That's correct, but with a different situation scorewise he may have done better on a particular element or done worse - the same with the Korean. Also (if the judging is biased), a judge may have scored him differently knowing he needed an additional 1/10 of a point. For example, had Hamm known he needed 9.7 instead of 9.6 (or whatever) he may have tried even harder on one of his release maneuvers or some other element of the high bar routine. Also, he may have choked knowing he needed a higher score than he thought he did. It simply cannot be assumed that everything would have happened exactly the same way had the Korean been given the proper score.
Judges made another mistake tonight. They meant to screw Paul Hamm out of any shot at a medal in the floor exercises, and instead - they got his twin brother Morgan.
The general rule of thumb in these siutations is that if it's a mistake by the judge/referee, the result can not be changed. On the other hand, if the athlete who won cheated/violated some rules, the result would be changed and the medal would be taken away. That's the general rule that has applied for every major world sports event for the last twenty years. So Paul Hamm retains his gold because he didn't do anything wrong himself.
WHY NOT?? Asian countries value pride and honor, if the Koreans found out that the american should have won they would give it back to safe face.
Very simple question... If the Korean had been given the proper score immediately after his event, do you think everything would have happened EXACTLY the same on the horizontal bars? In this situation, no one knows what WOULD have happened if the score had been properly posted. Hamm MAY have still won the gold. He MAY have done a better high-bar routine, conversely the Korean MAY have done a worse high bar routine.
That's exactly the case. I definitely empathize with the gymnast but no way you can 'reverse' the wrong.
And it turns out - it wasn't wrong. Oh, the judges screwed up - by giving the South Korean one-tenth of a point more than he deserved. Because the South Korean gymnast should've been deducted two tenths of a point for a fault he committed during the routine. So Hamm deserves the medal.
You can not compare this case to Roy Jone's case. It is common in Olympic games that a hosting country gets favored, but in this is happening in Greece, not in US. Why favor Paul Hamm? Also, Park Si Hun's made a comment that Roy Jones should have won the medal instead of him. He was willing to give his gold to Roy Jones after the game but such action could not be taken upon individual's decision. Paul's 9.1 score on Vault was also unbelievable. The most important thing on Vault is landing, not a routine. Is it possible to get 9.1 after he stumbled on the ground and rolling on the floor only to find himself to be stopped by a judge who once lived in same neighborhood?
yeah, unless Tim Daggett (sp?) just made up that deduction for 4 holds, then the south koreans better hope they stop reviewing the case pretty soon. that would be a bunch of crap if he really should've lost that .2 and is b****ing about wanting an extra .1. of course, none of this compared to the unbelievable crowd reaction to the aleksei nemov score tonight. anyone else see that? nemov does 6 releases and steps slightly on the landing and gets a much lower score than the previous two guys (both of whom i think stepped also). then the crowd just goes nuts, booing and whistling for like 5 solid minutes. the president of the FIG goes over to the judges, the judges rethink their scores (at least the CAN and indonesian (?) judges did), and give him a better score, but still lower than the previous two. nemov was amazingly gracious throughout the whole thing, he even looked into the camera and said "unbelievable" speaking about the crowd reaction. he even got up and asked them to calm down before hamm went. then hamm gets up and gets a 9.812 to take the lead even though it didn't seem he should've gotten that high of a score. the some other guy tied him and won the tiebreaker so he didn't have to explain another gold medal. but it was the craziest thing i've ever seen in a olympic gymnastics event.
