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Sources: Thunder interested in DeAndre Jordan/Lou Williams

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by cyberx, Feb 5, 2018.

  1. joshuaao

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    Wow, this would be a pretty meaningful move for this year's playoff run. Adams has a ton of trade value, so I'd argue that he'd be able to fetch all three of Lou, DJ, and Bradley. They could make the following moves:

    Lou and DJ for Adams and Felton
    Bradley for Abrines, Ferguson, (and Huestis)

    LAC gets a young stud at center and interesting pieces in Abrines and Ferguson.

    OKC gets three players to make a deep run this year - all expirings that they can let go if it doesn't work out



    On a sidenote, I'm not following how this trade would make OKC a greater threat for Lebron. OKC wouldn't be able to clear up the requisite cap space to sign Lebron outright without also dealing Singler, Roberson, Patterson, etc. AND having Melo/PG agree to sign at a heavy discount, so a trade with CLE is their only route.

    If Lebron would consider a move to OKC, I think an offer of Adams+picks is extremely compelling for Cleveland. OKC wouldn't be able to trade any of DAJ/Bradley/Lou to CLE, so what assets would they have to trade?
     
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  2. Zoplicone

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    I will continuously remind people I called the Lebron to OKC move if/when it happens.

    Just saying
     
  3. Swiss Roll

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    I doubt LeBron goes from one cheap owner so unwilling to spend that they dumped a perennial All-NBA player for peanuts to another who did the same thing, and who do the Thunder trade to clear the cap space? They are paying luxury tax already. They could dump Steven Adams for nothing and they wouldn't have enough to sign LeBron.

    However, if it does happen I wouldn't be surprised, four Nike boys all together. Harden may have forfeited any titles when he signed with Adidas.
     
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  4. Zoplicone

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    They’d probably do it through a sign and trade. I don’t know; for me I see OKC making the most sense for Lebron just like I thought it would make the most sense for Carmelo.

    Not going to argue about it with people who are going to lash out at me (not you, you responded respectfully, but others will) but time will tell.
     
  5. YaoMing#1

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    Because they realize they gotta get off that stupid 25m contract of adams in order to resign Paul George.

    The thunder are in cap hell and their a small market.

    They get deandre and Lou they free up a lot of money this offseason.

    Both guys are FAs
     
  6. YaoMing#1

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    I’m just curious how you think they could pull that off?

    It would be harder for them to get Lebron than Houston and it’s going to be really rough for the rockets as is.

    Westbrook 30m
    Melo 27m
    Adams 25m
    PG13 30m
    Roberson 10m
    Patterson 5m


    thats 127m combined for just 6 players.

    It’s going to be hard for them to resign Paul George as is. They almost have to dump Adams just to resign PG13.

    I just don’t see how okc can afford PG13 Lebron and Westbrook all making 30+ a yr and melo making 27m

    I mean I guess melo Lebron and PG13 could all take less than max but even then I’m not sure it works unless they all take like 15m a yr and that’s assuming they dump Adams for nothing which is prob doable but not super easy.

    That was a dumb contract by presti.

    I do know Lebron is very fond of russ PG13 and melo is a good friend so that angle is def in play but the market and money doesn’t even remotely add up.
     
  7. steddinotayto

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    Agreed
     
  8. Zoplicone

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    I think that angle will help make it happen. First thing is first I think when summer rolls around OKC will be Lebrons number 1 choice. That’s the key to everything. Yes he would love to play with Chris Paul but we also know he would love to play with Paul George and George is younger. I think he prefers Westbrook over Harden but that’s just my opinion so I can’t use that for my argument.

    He would have to take less than the max for OKC but he would pretty much have to take less than the max for any contender.
    OKC will have to pay a very hefty luxury tax but I honestly do believe they would for Lebron.

    Lastly, Roberson and Patterson would not be on the roster next year with Lebron. People (not you) don’t seem to realize on this forum that not everything revolves around our Rockets. The best way for Lebron to end up somewhere for him and for the Cavs would be a sign and trade. OKC absolutely trumps us in this method. If you were the GM of the Cavs would you rather have Roberson + Ferguson + Huestis + Abrines and then a whole bunch of more smaller contracts or would you rather have Rynos crippling contract for the next two years. If we’re thinking Ryno in a sign and trade we absolutely stand no chance. Worst comes to worst OKC offer Adams for Lebron in a sign and trade though OKC wouldn’t want it to come to that.

    I really hope Morey sees what a lot of posters don’t see about our roster and doesn’t spend too much effort chasing Lebron cuz we’re going to lose out. Even PJ Tucker will be a difficult contract to trade, a player in his 30s that’s not a star with 2 or 3 more years remaining on his contract is not ideal.
     
  9. Zoplicone

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    As it stands now OKC could do a straight up trade for Lebron with Roberson + Patterson + Abrines + Singler + Ferguson.

    Roberson and Ferguson will be players Cavs would view as better than letting Lebron walk for nothing. Abrines might be the same but either way he’d be an expiring next year. Patterson and Singler aren’t something they’d want but at least they’re only 5 million a piece for 2 years. Much more tolerable than Rynos 20 mil per which isn’t coming in with young players like Roberson and Ferguson.

    It just makes too much sense. Lebron would want to play there. They CAN make it happen. Only thing is would OKC pay that much tax? I can’t BS and say I know for sure, but we’re talking about a team getting Lebron James and possibly winning a title that year and who knows, maybe next 2 years.
     
  10. YaoMing#1

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    I don’t doubt that that package is more appealing than Anderson alone I agree. It’s not great but it’s 4 smaller contracts easier to flip if they want.

    But they can’t keep Adams and resign PG13 so I don’t see how they can resign PG13 and sign and trade for Lebron. The money like doesn’t add up at all.

    They can prob gut the team compete and offer all 3 guys (PG13, Lebron, melo) 20m each and have a big 4 but that’s it the rest is all minimum guys.

    I will say this on your opinion that he would rather play with russ over harden? I don’t know if that’s true or not but I know he loves russ a lot.

    But if he went to okc he can take over and be the guy the unquestioned best player.

    In houston that’s not the case harden is better than Lebron now. Obviously that’s due to age but it’s still fact. Even that douche of fox sports who hates on the rockets every chance he gets says Lebron wouldn’t even be the best player next year in houston.

    Can Lebron take a back seat to a younger guy who literally mimics Lebron game on offense but is actually a better scorer? I think so if he wants to win but then again Lebron never been in the position we’re he is not the man on the team.

    But Lebron is closer to cp3 than any of the 3 in okc. Cp3 is his kids godfather.

    But I don’t know how he feels about harden other than he clearly respects his game. Harden is one of the few players Lebron has openly called a true franchise superstar. The only other guy I can remember him doing that to is KD.

    I don’t see the money adding up unless they can get rid of melo.

    It’s well documented that they have a big question to answer on taking the bullet and keeping this team together.

    They are already set to pay 25m on luxury tax this year alone. It will ballon over the next few years by keeping this exact team together at PG13 max. Adding Lebron even for a Adams swap and more money to PG13 is like impossible.

    I’m not being a rockets homer when I say this but I put Lebron to okc at less than 1%.

    Ownership has shown to be cheap and thwy would be on the hook for the highest payroll in league history by a country mile of the added Lebron and kept PG13 and russ with no melo. Adding melo makes it even worse.
     

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