Sources: Texans meet with Johnny Football for 2 hours yesterday

How many didn't bust?

People like to ignore the last three winners.

 

If he was 6'5 230 with a cannon I would agree with you

Thats not the case and there are several qbs with tremendous work ethic and "IT" in this draft

 

Johnny is the only QB with elite (top 5 QB) potential. Teddy and Blake have a lower ceiling, but their floor IMO is higher than Johnny's floor.

Johnny also seems to already have those elite leadership skills that can galvanize and inspire teammates.

I say roll the dice and see if Johnny can turn out to be an elite QB. If he flops, then we'll suck again and have a chance at Winston in 2015.

#GiveMeEliteOrGiveMeDeath

 

I would put Johnny's work ethic up there and if you bring up "IT", there are none that I would even come close to Johnny in that aspect, just my opinion.

And it was reported that his arm strength was up there with Carr and Bortles (if not even better than Bortles)

 

Why do people keep bringing up the concept ceiling yet don't know what it means. "Elite leadership skills""

Where are people getting this from???? Because he yells and screams on the sideline?????


What is wrong with people????

 

Do you know what "IT" even is???? Do you really even think it exists???

His arm strength is no where near Carr, on par with Bortles

Bortles does not have a cannon

 

Gone back and forth on this. I think we ultimately end up taking Clowney.

This whole discussion has too many similarities to the Mario over VY pick. Not saying that JM isn't a better player (or NFL prospect) than VY.

What do I think they should do? Take one of the QBs or an offensive lineman. If there's anything we should take from the last few seasons it's that you don't win without a good QB. Until then, your upside is a 1st round exit and your downside is the 1st pick in next year's draft.

Either take your #1 rated QB, or build an offensive line that will be ready to block when you do get a franchise QB. Do that every year until you find the "answer".

 

To me, "IT" refers to stuff like competitiveness and desire to win. Inspiring teammates. Doing what ever he can to help the team win games.

 

Bridgewater has shown more of that that Manziel, Bortles has shown more than both of them.

Just because the media doesn't focus on those two doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Bortles and Bridgewater are a combined 24-2 with average offenses this past year. Both have played hurt, Bridgewater with several broken limbs. Both have had to carry their team through games. Both (especially Bridgewater) are loved by their teammates.

 

I think we were all witness to Manziel's "IT" factor at his pro day; I think we can all agree the thing was a circus, regardless how you felt about it. And it generated more buzz and coverage than TB and BB's pro days combined.

I don't think "IT" means a hill of anything on the field; but in terms of interest, Manziel has it on the other two in spades and it's really hard to argue otherwise. He will have an immediate impact on a team’s visibility.

You can always tell the depth of someone's bias by their unwillingness to concede even a universally accepted truth (as much as there is any truth these days). Manziel's profile is, right now, off the charts. He’s one of the most fascinating prospects in many years, in large part because of the varying opinions.

 

Blake and Johnny didn't have a top rated defense backing them like Teddy had... That's a BIG DIFFERENCE because Blake and Johnny was always under the gun to keep their offense in position to score... Teddy hardly had to deal with pressure like that.

And Blake has 6 come from behind wins (one of which came in Teddy's house)... That kid has ice water in his vanes. That's the type of stuff guys like Montana and Brady did in college.

 

Now I have my doubts you have even watched Johnny play. You are way off on this one.

 

baqui beat me to it. The award doesn't mean much. Mark Ingram is a bust too.


Nick Florence put up sick numbers out of the air raid offense. Like Ziggy has mentioned, college stats don't mean ish for the most part.

 

To be fair, college ratings mean little to nothing

The bolded is a flat out lie

I agree with you on Bortles, thats why I said Blake has the mythical "IT" more than the other two

 

It's really not, Teddy wasn't pressured much which is why there is such a disparity between his numbers when he was blitzed and when he was pressured, he didn't face the pressure that a lot of other guys faced.

 

You know better than to lie

 

No it's not... Just go look at the scores. Louisville had a lot of blow out wins and that defense dominated in a lot of games. Just like they did in the last two bowl games. It was very rare when Teddy was under pressure in the 4th quarter.

That's what I like to look at when I watch tape... How quarterbacks perform under pressure in the 4th quarter when playing from behind or in a shoot out. You can see it with Blake and Johnny but Teddy hasn't been in those type of situations much and definitely not against top talent.

Johnny is exciting and got the big time publicity, but Blake is the ONLY quarterback that is truly battle tested. His team was the under dog in practically every game. He took a team from nothing to being ranked #10 in the nation and his numbers would have been better if his receivers weren't ball droppers. And unlike Johnny and Teddy, the only other legitimate NFL talent Blake had on his team is Storm Johnson.

People are sleeping on Blake like a sealy posturepedic but with big names like Teddy, Johnny, Clowney, etc in the draft it's understandable.

 

.....and I'm not. Bridgewater didn't face the type of pressure Bortles or Manziel faced, that's just a fact. It doesn't mean they are better prospects, but if you are unwilling to concede obvious points, then your objectivity comes into question.

 

They're discussing the pressure to score; not pressure from a pass rush: