I'm not saying don't play. I'm just saying don't give the Nuggets anything more than we'd be willing to lose because there is the possiblility that NY just says not interested in DM raping them more. It then becomes a poker match with Carmelo and the Knicks and I can see Carmelo folding in the end.
Based on numerous reports though, Melo isn't all that interested in signing an extension with the Nets because he doesn't see them being a title contender anytime soon and the Nets won't trade for him unless he signs the extension. So the Nuggets might have no choice but to look at the next best option, which is probably the Rockets.
I thought Daryl/Gersson said they weren't willing to do such a deal? Nuggets using the Rockets for leverage with other teams?
But if bet with a losing hand and you lose, you not only lose your hand but also lose your car, house and jewelry Antoine Walker style. This is a terrible idea, Melo wants to play for NY. Let's leave the crazy risks to the Mavs.
Yup. Not only not before July 1, but there is a moratorium of about a week after that, while they figure out the cap numbers. This time, there will not be a CBA in place in July. It probably won't even be in place before a lockout of some duration. Those trades that take place on draft day don't officially take place until later. You raise an interesting question: will (if we have him) Melo exercise his option on the additional year, or get stuck with the new CBA for his next contract? I can't believe he plans on signing under the new CBA; he'll at least want that one additional year under the current rules.
There's a semantical problem here. A player can have an option to extend the contract an additional year, or an Early Termination Option (ETO). Both mean the player decides whether or not to go an additional year; in the first case, the player decides yes, in the second case, the player decides no. It is probably not an ETO; those are only for five- or six-year contracts. An extension is a new contract, almost certainly for more than one year.
i agree that is a great deal - but it puts the rockets THAT much further away from winning NOW. i couldn't wait til 2017 for a pick to pan out... that's just me if we get carmelo - let's keep him and make a run!
How does it put the Rockets THAT much further away from winning? Jordan Hill and Chase Budinger (to use my hypothetical trade proposal) are not necessarily going to get your team significantly closer to a championship than Patrick Patterson and Terrence Williams would in the same roles. That 2012 Knicks pick (especially if Melo leaves the Rockets for the Knicks, which would be the most likely scenario if he leaves the Rockets) would be a late first rounder. I don't think a late first rounder gets you that much closer to a championship. And by trading Hill and Bud, the Rockets would have another $3 million or so in cap room to sign free agents next offseason. Unless you are convinced that Yao's contract can otherwise net you a legit star (or key championship cog) and should not be "wasted" on a potential Melo rental, I just don't see how the risk isn't worth the reward. Even if the reward is only a small chance to re-sign Melo.
I would hate for the rockets to give up young talent like Bud and/or Hill just to rent a player of Carmelo's caliber, but really how many more superstars are out there as trade-ready as Carmelo? CP3? Maybe, but if we do trade for Carmelo and his run here is successful (a-la Tracy McGrady's first season here minus the playoff loss to Dallas), maybe he will decide this is a better place to win a championship than NY or NJ. Besides, playing on a team with Yao still on the roster (hopefully) will garner him not only national recogntion, but international fame as well. It's not like Houston's market is small, and the night life we can offer him isn't that far behind NY's. However, Melo's "Decision" may depend on his wife, so nothing is for certain, but I would certainly love to see him in a Rockets uniform-with an extension
Melo wants to play for NY, it's true. But we can still score big-time here, and the risk is not as bad as you're suggesting. Melo's ideal situation is to play for the Knicks with the big extended contract. I don't think anyone would debate this. His problem is that the Nuggets want more than the Knicks can offer. By stating that he will ONLY sign an extension with the Knicks, he makes himself unattractive to franchises that aren't his preferred destination. By maintaining this posture, he hopes that in the end, the Nuggets will panic and sign-and-trade him to New York for their inferior package because hey, something's better than nothing, right? Win for Melo! The reason we can still win by trading for him is that this is, IMO, not a deep, heartfelt desire but a negotiating position. He's doing the only thing he can to get his ideal scenario, Big Contract and Knicks. The question is, what is is second choice if he can't have his first? Does he prefer Small Contract and Knicks, or would he rather have Big Contract with a different big-stage team, like the Nets, Clippers, etc. If he's willing to take a little contract just for the joy of playing in front of Spike, then yes, you're completely right and we're throwing our assets away, but I don't think he is. I think he'd be fine with playing for another big-market team as long as he has his big deal, but he wants to see if he can get his ideal situation first. Long story short, his Knicks-or-nothing posture is most likely a negotiating position, he'll probably sign the extension no matter what, and if we can get him, we can cash in by convincing him to stay with us or flipping him to a lesser big-stage team with good assets.
i see what you mean, but its not really close to the current situation. Getting Carmelo (with an extension) in a Barkley comparison would be like when he went to the PHOENIX SUNS in the PRIME of his career, the Barkley that got an MVP and Finals appearance for the Suns. Carmelo still has a ways to go before he's in his mid 30's
I do not want to rent this guy at all. But if this is the case i might make an exception. One thing is certain about renting players. They quit the season early to go on to a different team. Name me one instance a player played well in a renting scenario. If we can get Gallinari, Randolph, Fields then i'm all for this type of move as i think Gallianari can play the Pedja role here. Also Fields would be an interesting prospect that the coach said reminds him of Havlicek.
He has an ETO......he has another year on the contract that he can choose to honor or opt out of.... DD
I don't think Melo is the answer. It will take more then Melo imo. Melo has not done much more then McGrady and McGrady was the better player his first 2 years here. Melo is a 2nd tier superstar behind the likes of Queen James, Wade etc...
well put it this way... is cleveland closer to winning a championship or further away now? as you say, they got a screamin deal... we would only be so lucky to get that much for a carmelo-rental, right? of course... the cavs are further away. they have to now hope they can use their new assets to acquire a player even close to lebron in stature and talent to rebuild. it would be no different for houston, right back where we began - hoping to wheel and deal with our great 'assets' to land a great player to lead this team. that is the dilema in attempting to rent a player like carmelo... regardless of what we could get back for him. one step forward, two steps back. i like morey - i like most of his money-ball deals. i love that he has talented players filling every position on this team down to the 15th roster spot - i'm impressed. but we are going to continue to flounder in mediocrity if we can't land a top ten talent and keep him. landing carmelo as a rental and then losing him, puts us further away from winning NOW. EDIT: granted winning NOW isn't necessarily the right strategy with the current roster... i'm just saying: we're spinning our wheels to end up right where we are now. hoping for the future. i guess thats all i've got anyways.
