You can’t make trades with picks for consecutive years though so it would be ‘19,’21,’23,’25 which is obviously not just a four year stretch. I’m honestly in favor of the deal, but I think it’s A LOT and if Jimmy isn’t willing to sign the extension upon arrival like James did then it’s not worth it.
What? We are in win now mode the window is small. Look at our last 4 first round picks.. They are garbage. This is a great trade for both teams. The icing on top would be keeping EG CP3 Harden Butler PJ Cling EG Melo Ennis Green Hart That is an insane team
If your GM offers to relinquish all first rounders for the next 7 years to trades or trade prohibition (because of the consecutive-first rule), that could be a guy figuring he'll be gone when most of the debt comes due. But if your owner does it, that's a guy saying he's willing to suffer the debt and go through a long spell of bad years with no relief. If the issue is ticket sales and marketability, those problems will only get worse. I love competing for championships. But there's an enormous risk here that we'll have mortgaged ourselves in the post-Warriors era for the dubious privilege of having lost every year to the Warriors. The smarter approach is Boston's, letting the Dubs have their run and stacking your team for the years that follow.
While I'm with you in that I think we're giving up too much, I think we're also ignoring the rapidly closing window we have with CP3/Harden. Harden is definitely the best player we've had since Hakeem and you want to waste that?
Well its too late for Boston's approach anyways and not to mention(apparently I dont have a source) Les never wanted Morey to tank so ...I mean what can you do. I'm down for this, all or nothing. I would love to beat these Warriors as constructed, would mean more for me personally.
This. With the mandate of the owner, Morey would do what it take to make the Butler trade. Morey would do the best he could to extract the most value; I would fully expect Morey to try to get a second rounder(s) and pick protection(s) out of this.
I'm torn. In general, I buy into the philosophy of combining your assets to magnify the odds of winning when you're good. The problem is that we're doing this at the worst possible moment, when one team has stacked itself to the point of absurdity.
I can't disagree with that, but...if we're waiting for the Warriors to be bad, you might be waiting a decade or more. That seems pointless. Think about how long it took the Spurs to not be as good as they were.
Guys calling Butler a potential trade to the Rockets "a rental" are delusional. There is no way a guy with history of injuries would pass on 190M 5 year deal with his hometown team on a discount (in terms of taxes) market, while he would contend for the NBA Title for 3 years at least and his regression because of age will be much slower due to caliber of players around him in Houston Especially after Morey kept his word by offering CP3 a 4 year max even after his injury in WCF. It's basically 4 picks in 7 years for 6 years of Jimmy Butler, so it's all about another players on a package. If EG and Tucker are in - we are screwed, if it's a Knight's contract - we are a favourite to win in at all in a Warriors league for at least 3 years with core of CP3-James-Butler-Tucker-Capela-Gordon and minimum deals, especially due to Klay, Durant and Draymond contract situation. I'm all in for Knight + 4 first-rounders
True, but both Morey and Tilman know that there's a massive difference between Sacramento/Phoenix/Cleveland 1st-round picks and Houston/Golden State 1st-round picks. A 2019 Honda and a 2019 Bentley are both brand-new cars, right? Tilman doesn't want to ever tank, so he sees our 1st-round picks as always being #24-#30ish. Those are Hondas. We're basically trading 4 Hondas for a Bentley.
The only thought that makes me sympathetic to this calculation is: Maybe, just maybe, Morey has decided that the next analytical revolution in basketball will be everyone figuring out that first-round picks are overrated. In which case, why not cash out ours before that market crashes.
If we keep Gordon and Tucker...we can beat them, we can definetly beat them. We have no idea how Cousins is gonna look to begin with, and even then we will iso him off the floor.
I'm pretty sure he's already figured out that very late first-round picks barely qualify as first-round picks.
Not to mention the fact they are worse from a salary cap flexibility standpoint than 2nd round picks. Late firsts get guaranteed deals.
Hi, first post on the thread, always a fan of our insiders, the real ones, but i've suffered long threads before and real life flow did not align with the anxiety generated by a Jimmy B news cycle could generate. But really happy to come and see all the doubters eat crow. Confirmed by a Woj bomb, nothing less.
