No, it's going to take Eric Gordon. If we can nab Jimmy Butler without having the give up PJ Tucker, we should be thrilled. I don't see it, though.
I agree here, also we should keep in mind that if we wait until December, around the 15th the Lakers will be able to trade Pope, and i think Ingram + Pope gets it done unless Butler has no interest to resign there.
Something Teague said yersterday that shows the atmosphere of the Wolves lockeroom: A team aiming for the POs that didn't get together for summer workouts at all just showing up when the preseason started.
I obviously can’t say for sure but I would say no way Ingram is involved in trade talks. That’s why I didn’t believe any rumours of LA being involved. Lonzo maybe but no way Lakers would give up Ingram for Butler.
Yeah you missed the sarcasm. I was saying no way Kings would do that deal, it’s so ridiculous. EDIT: haha just realized it was you that proposed the deal. Sorry bro but if you know Dieng is an awful contract then you know it would make no sense. Why’d you even suggest that trade?
Oh yeah, Ingram or Lonzo, you may be right about Ingram, after all they didn't move him for George or Leonard so...
Ethan Skolnick & Chris Wittyngham/@5ReasonsSports: https://fivereasons.podbean.com/e/fins-loseum-fsujimmy-butler-saga-megapod/ ES: 18 days ago, Stefano Fusaro tweeted that the Heat were an option for Jimmy Butler. I made a couple of quick texts from people I trust & got a response back that that is correct. I tweeted & confirmed that. Shortly after, a national reporter tweeted out there were 3 teams Butler was interested in (Nets, Clippers, Knicks). Over the past 18 days, we've been moving this story forward. Heat were one of Butler's targets. Not only one of his targets but the primary target. Since then, we've given more detail. Erik Spoelstra is the primary guy in the Heat organization who wants Butler. Wade is pushing for Butler. No team was really offering anything significant for Jimmy Butler. When those Houston reports came out, I assumed that reporter was being used a little bit. Minnesota is trying to create leverage. I heard PJ Tucker was not involved in any deals and yet Tucker was being put in some of those deals. We've also reported about the dysfunction in the Wolves front office. Towns does not want to play with Butler ever again. I know for a fact Thibs & Glen Taylor are not on good terms right now. That to a certain degree, Thibs may be trying to get himself out of there & Glen Taylor may be OK with that but doesn't want to pay him his full salary. What we've reported: Butler wants to be here. Spoelstra wants him here. Riley is trying to get him here. Some other details are fluid. I know for awhile the Wolves were reviewing Whiteside, Winslow, Waiters & Dragic. Those were the 4 primary names. At least up until late last week, Josh Richardson was not involved in these talks. I know there were reports today he was involved in talks lately. I have not heard that directly. That doesn't mean it's not true. ... Would it stun me if he gets traded? No. At this point, anything is possible with these negotiations. I just know he had not been involved for a very long time nor had Bam Adebayo. CW: Main point of contention is first off, why is this taking so long? ES: 2 reasons: negotiations like this do take a long time but usually don't play out publicly. ... Jimmy's people leaked the trade request. Wolves wanted Butler's request kept in house. I've also heard Towns asked for a trade last year. This has been dysfunctional for awhile. If you're the Heat, you're used to operating in darkness. When you're a good organization, that's what you do. I had reported 10 days ago they made a "final offer". But then there was another offer after the final offer and apparently another offer after the final offer. Minnesota keeps getting to the finish line and then "Ehh, we want something else." ... I don't know when Pat says "Enough". ... CW: Is there a real chance this doesn't happen & if so, why? ES: Yeah, there's a real chance. He wanted to play here & the Heat were trying to get him but they can't control Minnesota. Minnesota can't control Minnesota. ... This isn't fixable or worth fixing. Butler will not be there long-term. It's over Thibs. How long do you hold him & keep him away from the team and do you just wait for the Bucks to put Middleton on the table, Wizards to put Porter on the table, Houston to put Tucker with Gordon on the table, which I still don't think is a great offer but whatever, or Clippers to put Tobias on the table or for Philly to step up and put Fultz/Saric on the table? Boston isn't interested. They have assets. They aren't interested. Lakers aren't interested at this stage. San Antonio swapped Kawhi for DeRozan so that isn't an option anymore. Are you waiting for that? What are you waiting for? Are you waiting for Riley to crack? CW: This is the debate, what are you willing to part with? Miami could easily put together a package to get Butler or a package to have gotten Kawhi Leonard. They have enough. The question is how much are you willing to part with? ... My answer is a lot. ES: It's not two young guys. It's not two out of the three. One offer we've heard all along is Winslow & Whiteside, taking back Dieng, giving them a pick. This is when you don't have other teams involved. I would not give up two young guys. He's not Kawhi. Kawhi is a top 5 player. Toronto can win the East with Kawhi. Butler is not that. He's 29 years old. He'll be paid $40M+ in the last year of his deal. Josh Richardson is on a really good contract. Butler will be paid the same in the last year with what you're getting with Josh Richardson for 4 years. My answer is I'm willing to give up first round picks. Pat doesn't care about those. ... I don't like giving up players I've seen who can be contributors. The draft picks are draft picks. Heat don't ever want to be in the lottery. ... If they give up Winslow & Richardson & got Butler and they're cap-filled or take back Dieng, I won't be in favor of it. I don't see Jimmy as that kind of player. It's worth doing if you're giving up one young guy or pick/s & getting rid of a contract(Whiteside or Waiters). If you can do that, one real asset & a pick, I'm fine. I don't like trading Goran but if you have to do that, fine. If they have to give up two of the three kids, I'm not feeling it as much. They're in a leverage position. They shouldn't have to give up two young prospects. ... Picks mean more to teams like Sacramento. This organization does not expect to suck. ... I don't like the idea of giving up two prospects you know about. They can help you win now. Pat wants to be competitive now. You don't want to give up draft picks. I don't want to give up two of the kids. I don't think they'll have to. ...
"Houston to put Tucker with Gordon on the table, which I still don't think is a great offer but whatever" cause a mix of Whiteside, Dragic, Winslow, Waiters is a great offer
I guess the Wolves figure a giant max salary and trading Butler are the cures to what ails Kat. Can't fix the small market or the weather, but the money'll pay for KAT's heating bill. This saga has really, reeeeeeeeeaally dragged on. I wouldn't mind being that third team that gets players out of this to help us (Tyus, Taj), especially if it keeps Butler from other Western Conference teams. But the whole thing has become tiresome. (Of course, who knows what's going on behind the scenes that isn't getting leaked to the media?) Season starts in just over a week.
Women are biologically slower? Lmao ok.... Jeez, all I did was miss one day of checking this thread and it's gone completely sideways wtf...
To me the "3rd team" is the Kings. And probably the "nice piece from another team" is the Wolves asking about WCS. I could see the Wolves trying to push Wiggins on the Kings. That would be SUCH a Kings move. Morey trying to swoop in to #DecreseTheDrop is clearly Tyus Jones in my book. Heat beat writer Ira Winderman basically said everybody but Richardson is on the table for the Heat. We'll see.
Interesting to speculate if there's any correlation with the imminent Butler trade. But judging from the circumstances not very likely. IMO. Hopefully a real journalist will be able to put 2 and 2 together and illuminate this bizzare situation.
