Martin is not just a legit 23 ppg scorer, but also one who does so with high efficiency , unlike, say, the Michael Beasley and Ricky Davises of the world.
I liked NENE alot, but after this play.... <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/mz8jmTWwoiM?fs=1&hl=pt_PT"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/mz8jmTWwoiM?fs=1&hl=pt_PT" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object> I fell in love, dude is skilled, tall, with mobility, I think his natural position is PF, but no doubt in my mind he plays the Center position almost as effective. I liked Bimas trade proposal, but there is a flaw, there is no way Melo will go to the NJN....IMO. Just want to point out 2 things that had my attention. If you pay attention to the rumors about Melo, you would say that him going to the Knicks, has not be mentioned in awhile, the last thing you saw, was a rumor saying that if Melo doesn´t go to the Knicks, the knicks would made a run for IGGY. Today there is a BSPN insider that reports King saying there are other players, besides Melo, that could help the Nets. I don´t know, pure speculation, but I have a feeling the Knicks and the Nets are already preparing other options..... (maybe they know something we don´t know???) Pure speculation on my part PeAcE
In addition to what you say I see no problems for him when adapting to be a second or third option; he would be still efficient because he doesn’t dominate or need the ball that much. The least he’s going to give you is plain and simple a great shooter to have on the floor.
I like the trade idea, I guess my hangup is martin and scola. Not because they're bad players, I actually think they're both pretty good player, i jsut have alot of concerns about martin and playoff basketball. I have a slight concern about scola, but he does other thing when he's not scoring. I like the idea of nene as a 4 and getting a center.
I agree 100% with Nene, but the problem is that Denver doesn't underrate him. Hasn't Denver pretty much already said they want to keep Nene? The only way I can see him getting traded to us is if we are willing to take on Harrington. Am I off base here?
Bima, I would love to have Nene. He'd be a great fit. But the rumors I've heard is if/when the Nuggets move Melo, they are going to build around Nene, that he is virtually untouchable. Is this what you're hearing? Because you keep making proposals regarding Nene, it makes me think you may be hearing something different regarding his availability. If not, then maybe you could explain more clearly the importance of a franchise "saving" $20 million and how they would value that over having a player like Nene to build around.
Exceptions do not have to be used. They can be renounced, even (usually after July 1). There's no way the Rockets keep their expiring contracts, plus exercise all their exceptions. But, having different ones allows them flexibility in their trades. Also, it is particularly helpful to have exceptions that they can use next year, after they've slid under the LT for this one.
They brought it up about Butler, but it applies to everybody. I did post it here because of Yao; I didn't remember the deal about contending it happened before the deadline.
Maybe you're right. But finding guys who can competently play center is very hard to do and when a team has a guy like that, they don't give them up easily. When contract times comes up, these guys get paid twice what their skillsets are worth just because they can do it at center. If you were a GM, would you give up Nene that easily, knowing how hard it is to get another competent center?
Dave Thomas, founder of Wendy's had a similar story in his book. He had the Triple on his menu, even though hardly anyone ordered it. But it made people think the Double was reasonable and led to more people ordering Doubles. As for Melo, there are two separate tracks of negotiating, one where Melo is willing to extend, the other where he isn't. Five first round picks is not the asking price for a Melo rental, no one would do that. It's reasonable to assume Denver doesn't want to let Melo walk without getting something. But if Melo only wants to go to NYK and the Knicks don't have anything worth trading for, then the other option is to trade Carmelo to a team as a rental. That's where we can make an offer. Personally I'm skeptical that Melo would leave that kind of money on the table and wait for a new CBA to sign a contract. And I'm guessing Denver is skeptical as well. So they won't make a decision until the deadline.
Nene is not the type of player you build around IMO. He is not an all star. He is a poor rebounder for a center. He does not block many shots. He is a good defender and a guy that hits a very high percentage of his field goals. He is a very good role player but certainly not someone you build a team around. At 11+ million a year I think he is over paid for what he brings. For that type of money you should bring some serious rebounding or shot blocking or both along with what he does on offense. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and would take him if Denver were to trade him but I don't see him as a guy you build a franchise around. He could play a valuable role but at 11+ million a year I could definitely see Denver dealing him if they are rebuilding.
I have heard nothing. This is purely conjecture on my part. Also, looking at Nene's contract status, he could opt out of his contract this summer, when plenty of teams may have enough cap room to offer him a sizeable long-term deal. Or he could play next year for $11.6M and then become an unrestricted free agent. And by 2012, what would be keeping Nene in Denver? They'd be a rebuilding team with mostly young players. The Nuggets could probably use the $20 million.
I don't think so, once the ball comes off the ground and into his hand for the final time (at 0:19), he takes two steps after that.
No, it isn´t, but that is not the point.... Even if it was, do you often see guys (big man) with that motor, running and handling the ball like that, and dunking on a very athletic team??? That is just straight up confidence man, a thing of beauty PeAcE
If he had great rebounding and shot blocking then you are looking at a max contract kind of guy. I think his salary is reasonable; to me he is a tier below all-star caliber (popularity contest not considered) and his salary shows it, by the way who’s more deserving than him to be the starting Center at the All-star game this year? That tells you how little room we have to be picky. I also like the idea of having him at PF and bringing another defensive-minded center.
So...wer'e trading yao for prince's expring contract(he wont put us over the top the rest of the season so what's the point)...and budinger for 2 more years of charlie v.(who is an outside shooting pf, not a center no matter how tall he is) and his laughable contract.......some people like Prince but it would only be for the rest of this season anyway...... I have to say no..
After Bima's Nene trade, I took a look at Nene's stats over the years. He's 28 and has been in the league 8 years. Didn't realize it had been that long. That said, he has really gotten better over the years, in particularly the last 3 years. So I would say he is "in his prime" and has a number of years left. I didn't realize the guy was close to 15ppg! Shooting 60% (80% FTs), around 8rpg. There are top flight C's in this league and Nene is probably 1 step below but not that far below. Check the numbers. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3605
