I'm not as high on Jordan Hill as most others, I guess. Maybe I'm undervaluing him. Like leebigez suggested, if we can get Sacramento to give up something else also that would be great.
I don't understand the point of this trade. Why does Sacramento agree to it? It looks like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic to me.
Here it is with Casspi and Budinger thrown in: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=24jggyl robbie380, I'm not a capologist so I don't know why it works (maybe because Sac is under the cap?). But it works.
I'd rather take on this guy as a project for 4 years at league minimum salary then to spend more time and effort trying to turn Jordan Hill into something. <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/PRcfyeLFUCw?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/PRcfyeLFUCw?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object> <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/O8K0fku3iqM?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/O8K0fku3iqM?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object> <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/PHdb1JzFL5k?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/PHdb1JzFL5k?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>
Even if we are better off doing it, I figure it would take someone more significant for us to really trade Yao; Dalembert would be more of a stopgap than an important part of the future and I have a feeling Morey doesn’t think much of Whiteside, I say this considering the original Wojnarowski article: I am glad I’m not the only Rockets fan desperate to see something happen.
The Rockets can talk all they want about wanting a star player in return for Yao, but its not happening.
I wouldn't. Whiteside is just another shiny object. I'd like to at least trade Hill for someone who looks like they have a decent shot at playing in the NBA.
Sacramento does it if they value Jordan Hill's potential. They may see getting last year's #8 pick for their second round pick (Whiteside) as a big win. Hill could be a replacement for Landry, who they are reportedly looking to trade. Plus, they save money by giving up Dalembert for Yao, when factoring in the insurance money.
Why prefer to trade a Lottery pick for a second rounder when the first one is less of a project than the latter. Is worse than trading a lottery ticket for another lottery ticket, and in this case, I know Hill has been taking heat but he’s definitely a better project than Whiteside, a guy who’s definitely a longer shot from becoming a solid player in this league.
Good. Hopefully Sac Town will see that and be willing to give up Whiteside and somebody else for him then.
Valid point. Hill has more potential to be a better player than Whiteside, but I also look at fit and team need. Whiteside's potential as an interior defensive presence is greater than Hill's. The other things that Hill brings to the table are covered by Scola/Patterson.
I know Dalembert would get us covered in your proposal and thus I don’t need to worry much about Whiteside contributing now, but the kid seems to still have a long ways to go and I don’t want to wait on him, maybe if we got him and Camby at the same time, but Dalembert does not cut it for me, my illusion is with guys like Varejao and Nene, I’m prepared for us to give more for them.
Absolutely correct. In sharp contrast to the majority of trades posted on CFans, the reality is that the Rockets do not operate in a vacuum. There are always lots of expiring contracts around the NBA. And some of those expirings bring along Bird Rights to players who may actually have a few "gallons left in the tank". The most significant aspect of any trade involving Yao is financial. The trade partner must be in full dump mode and focused upon what will be the cap/exceptions under the new CBA. IMHO, and with the new CBA undetermined, players with a proven track record have more enticement in a trade than a full scale salary dump. Stern wants a hard cap and that means no MLE's. It could be much more advantageous to have some form of Bird Rights than salary dump in a hard cap environment.
Yeah, that makes sense. I guess if you want to give up on Hill and pay a few million for Dalembert to try to make the playoffs, then the trade makes sense. I just put zero value on Whiteside. Hill may be a project, but Whiteside can't even play in the D-League right now. But he is a big guy. :grin:
The Rockets also earn Dalembert's Bird Rights. Would you rather have Dalembert's Bird Rights or Yao's Bird Rights? I'd rather have Dalembert's, because (1) much less uncertainty over whether he'll be productive again, (2) we already have an implicit advantage in getting Yao back with or without his Bird Rights.
To me, a logical move is some sort of deal with the Clippers involving Kaman. Sterling, a notorious penny-pincher, would love the allure of Yao's insurance-covered contract and we get Kamen for 1.5 years for obvious reasons. Yeah, Kaman's injured at the moment but he'll be back at some point. Sure help is better than no help. Something as simple as Yao for Kaman + Foye (1.5 years remaining, better fit) -or- Butler (coming off books, no need) gets it done.
From now on I’ll stop posting without quoting who I’m talking to, but let me repost my answer to that:
Thoughts on the following gamble: Trade Brooks, Ming, Jeffries, throw in a pick to cancel out the curse of Jeffries Receive Steve Nash Steve Nash has at least 3 years left in the tank, have him groom Lowry on shooting. Lowry has already been improving on his 3s - having Steve Nash teach him a few more things wouldn't hurt. If Yao wants to sign and return with the Rockets next season, great for merchandise sales, and if he is healthy even better for the team. Target C prospects in draft and hopefully management picks wisely - which I'm sure he will. In the upcoming years (hopefully sooner rather than later) target Ricky Rubio. Which the Rockets have before. Maybe give up the rights to Sergio Lull and/or send over a well put-together package of the Rockets assets at the time. The more and more I see how Morey is building this team, the more it seems he really is pushing the idea of an 11-12 man rotation like in the Euro leagues.
