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Sources: Jvg not interested in Rockets because of relationship with owner

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by cyberx, Apr 18, 2016.

  1. malakas

    malakas Member

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    except it's not just an opinion. Its Bill Simmons opinion.
    Not my opinion or yours.

    Which everyone after that should evaluate what it's worth for themselves.
    For me I don't believe Simmons just has some opinions out of the blue, but has heard some things, especially when it has to do with something so apt as a coaching job and especially after JVG is widely rumoured for the Rockets job to so vehemently deny it.

    Now if it was an evaluation of a player's abillity I would take it more with a grain of salt.
     
  2. J Sizzle

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    I don't see why, since Simmons has literally never once gotten close to breaking a story or reporting news early on. Even Screamin' A Smith has more credibility in that regard.
     
  3. malakas

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    and Jimmy Buttler was out dining steaks with Thibs right after he contributed to his firing.
    Many people in that field are able to differentiate between personal and professional relationships.

    Well if you think that SAS has more credibillity than Simmons that's certainly your prerogative.

    I vehemently disagree, not that I'm a Simmons fangirl but he has in the past done a good job in giving some background information and what flows around as rumours and widely held opinions in the NBA circle.

    If you want to hold his opinion and work as nothing that's your right.
    Wonder how he would still have such an prestigious job and been for years one of the best NBA journalists if he was worse than SAS tho.
     
  4. glenadyll

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    Just based on what it sounds like to me as I listen to his commentating, I almost never hear JVG say much negative about JH13. He will of course point out the obvious stuff that you would while working any game, but he is one of (if not THE) only guys that seems really high on Harden.

    At this point, I would be surprised if any national media folks said the opposite, "JVG should want to take the Houston job," because I haven't heard Simmons or anyone else ever allude to this hideous team this year in even a remotely positive way. They certainly deserve to be crushed, but I think that JVG seems to see the bigger picture, and he isn't taking this horrific year out of context.

    JVG doesn't have to coach the 2015-16 Rockets. He would be able to coach the 16-17 version, and hopefully make this last year the anomaly and not the trend.
     
  5. Icehouse

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    Simmons entire persona is built around being an average fan with an outlet that gets to talk about his out of the blue opinions.
     
  6. malakas

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    that's not his entire work and everything he does.

    But whatever.
    Believe whatever you want.
    Pay no attention to Simmons since it doesn't serve yoru preconceived agenda.
     
  7. ROXTXIA

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    At least he tries to be honest.

    Which is probably what got him canned from ESPN in the first place. If you don't follow the memos they give you.......THUD, bye bye.
     
  8. Nick

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    That's his entire persona. Everything he does/says is based on opinions.

    Also, what is your definition of "vehemently"? He says JVG should not coach James Harden. He says, "I think" he stays in broadcasting.

    That isn't being vehement about anything.... again, he's giving his opionion/take on what he thinks is happening, but has no real idea of what JVG's true preferences are.

    I actually wouldn't be surprised if Bill Simmons had no idea that JVG still lived in Houston and still had close ties with Morey. Simmons lives in his LA/Boston bubble, and really doesn't pay attention to secondary market sports teams that don't involve the NFL.
     
  9. J Sizzle

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    Simmons isn't an NBA journalist, nor is he a reporter. He's a sports blogger and a personality, and he is popular because he offers up the perspective of a fan, which has proven to be unique. SAS is annoying as hell, but he was in on a few pretty big scoops (called Lebron to MIA before anybody, called Doc Rivers being traded to LAC, etc.). He's not as clueless as many think. Simmons doesn't break scoops.
     
  10. Nook

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    Good thing Bill Simmons has just about zero credible sources and usually just voices his own fan perspective.

    I have no idea if Van Gundy would coach the Rockets if offered the job. I will warn people that "leaks" saying he will or won't are likely false because Jeff doesn't discuss job openings until a coach is fired. He is pretty staunch about this point.

    I don't buy that Jeff wouldn't come near James Harden, he is one of the 3-4 best weapons in basketball and can play 40 minutes a night.
     
  11. Nick

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    The only person with anything preconceived is you.

    You think Bill Simmons is out there to report a scoop or be some sort of insider?

    He's a fan, first and foremost... and his post on reddit was a stated opinion. Drawing anything further from that would be trying to fill a preconceived bias or trying to see something that isn't really there.
     
  12. malakas

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    Sorry English is not my native language.
    I meant to say, that I malakas, vehemently disagree with the other poster, that SAS is more credible than Simmons.

    I thought vehemently is a way to say strong. lol I guess wrong. Sorry.
     
  13. malakas

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    I think Simmons has some sources, but it's not his job to break stories like others do or try to.
    I in no way, think he has absolutely no connections and make things up.

    Now, when he talks about a) the Celtics b) changes his voice wears that hat and spits out some far fetched (conspiracy) theories etc then I just take it for entertainment.

    But yes, I dont' think he's as clueless or as unconnected as some here think he is. Not at all.
     
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    Wait a minute. If I remember correctly, Harden wasn't really "dining" with JVG and Thibs. I think JVG and Thibs were dining together and Harden comes into the same restaurant and spots JVG and Thibs at a table. Harden went over to their table and bent down and said hello or something. Harden then goes his table, orders a $200 steak, and then requests a large bottle of A1 sauce.
     
  15. Nick

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    Well at this point, even if he had sources, JVG isn't going to be saying anything to anybody until the Rockets season is over... and they fire JBB.

    So, if he is commenting from his sources, they are either lying to him... or they're also just spit-balling.

    But again, odds are Simmons is merely giving his take on the whole thing... which usually is an informed/educated one based on several observational factors... but at the end of the day, its still just an opinion.
     
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    Honest & Bill Simmons in the same sentence? Doc Rivers disagrees:rolleyes:
     
  17. hakeemthagreat

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    I think Bill's secretly hoping JVG goes to Boston, which is why he's out here making up stories about JVG not coming here.
     
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    I really hope we go with someone under the radar (Messina, Nate Tibbets) because I don't get the feeling that JVG has evolved with the game.

    I like JVG as an analyst and as a person but I don't know if he can coach at a high level anymore. Seems like a huge risk.
     
  19. tinman

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    why would JVG want to come back? They were looking for his replacement when we were still in the playoffs.

    He also knows how Rick and McHale left.
     
  20. Nick

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    Are you kidding me? Bill loves Brad Stevens... loves him.

    He also loves Morey... mainly because he's part of the Simmons circle of trust.

    Again, is he really making anything up? He's stating an opinion that he think JVG likes broadcasting too much to get back into coaching... and if he did want to coach, why would he want to mess with James Harden? (and that is based on the national perception that Harden is a troublesome player that doesn't work hard, gets coaches fired, and doesn't play any defense whatsoever).
     

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