Sources: Carmelo open to multiyear deal with Rockets

DD

Your stats don't highlight the fact that:

- Billups is a good defender while Brooks probably can't spell defense

- Billips has proven to be a late game asset while Brooks consistently showed that it was a mistake to have the ball in his hands at the end of ballgames. He struggles to get a shot and find others in crunchtime.

Care to address these 2 items that are kinda important in the playoffs?

 

I find it funny that you've posted a list that is headed up by Chris Duhon multiple times in an effort to prove something.

 

Its a more complete and honest comparison than this:

"Brooks beats him in pretty much every statistical category" is simply not true, even if you prefer to compare their stats on a per-game basis. Also, listing fg% and 3pt% like that is completely misleading. Billups is a much more efficient scorer.

 

Chauncey was noticably worse as a defender last year than he has ever been, he might have been good on D, but he isn't anymore.

What Brooks are you watching? Because he had tons of important late shots, Let me see if I can find all those clips that show him hitting clutch shots....IIRC there was a thread about him not being clutch and it was soundly proven to be wrong...as the year went along.

In TS%, but not Efg%....

DD

 

Did Brooks have Anthony on his team last year so the D could focus on CA at the end of games instead of himself?

 

Am I missing something? How did this thread become a Brooks vs Billups debate?

 

i find it unreal that DD has 100+ posts on this thread.

 

For a few pages, then boom back to Melo not coming here.

Ok, thanks for sharing, not quite 10%, but am working on it.



If people respond to me or ask a question, I answer.....

DD

 

You're the one who brought up stats.....

What stats were you referring to then?

 

I want Nuggets4 in here now to set it straight.

 

I've only posted this once before. I'm not silly enough to think this proves anything.

 

Nuggets4 doesn't think much of Brooks.

 

Brooks doesn't draw fouls at near the rate that Billups does. That makes him less efficient as a scorer, as reflected in true shooting%.

Billups is the more efficient scorer overall, and in your comparison you want to give +2 to Brooks because his FG% and 3P% is higher without even considering the disparity in free throws. Like I said, that's misleading.

 

Why again does everyone believe the Nuggets are gonna get everything they want in a trade for Melo? Melo wants to leave putting Denver in a rough spot here. They can't be too demanding in trades knowing if nothing happens then he can ruin this year for them and then he can leave for nothing.

Also, knowing that Carmelo can walk in a year, why would New York or really any team be willing to give up all these pieces when they know if they just tread water for one year he can sign with them as a FA and they won't have to give up anything.

Carmelo is a great player, but when things like this happen there is very little the team can do. The player has nearly all the power and other gms are aware of this. They are not gonna just give up the farm for a guy who is forcing his way out of his current team and is only willing to work with a short list of teams.

When a player wants out and the team has very few viable options the offers aren't gonna be that great. I think its very possible to make this deal without giving up anyone of real consequence.

Lastly I feel like people here are really undervaluing these draft picks we have. I feel like if I were Denver management I would think the prospect of having 4 lotto chances(the 2 we trade them and the 2 they will get for sucking) in the next 2 years to find their new star is better than any pu pu platter ny or nj can offer. Plus the fact they will also get substantial cap relief to come with the picks.

 

All the ones where Brooks is better, of course.

 

I said that the debate is open, and it depends upon what you like, but people were calling others homers, and that Billups was clearly better than Brooks.

Which is just not the case.

Do you think Billups is better Durvasa? Would you trade them for each other.

DD

 

Yes, 4 chances to get a "Favors", but it's a lottery. They could end up without any "Favors". As the saying goes, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

 

or maybe they end up with 4?

 

He is stuck there for another season. In that time, he could change his mind which isn't all that unlikely. Right now, Denver has all the power. If Carmelo still wants to leave in January then the power swings back to him.

Any trade would be on the condition that 'elo signs the extension with Denver BEFORE the trade is done to make sure he isn't, in fact, a one year rental.

 

That depends, upon whether he decides to test free agency or not. For instance if the Nuggets come to him and say, well we only have an offer that we like from Houston, and Melo really doesn't want to come here, then he can simply pass.

He controls the process, nearly completely.

Agreed, but as you say, things could change, if Denver gets off to a hot start, and Melo is playing great, he might just sign the 3 year deal and think "Why not, I still get a new contract when I am 29"

DD