Sources: Carmelo open to multiyear deal with Rockets

Beyond attempting to downplay his Rebounding numbers. . .why must I Adjust to the 48 Minute Per?

I don't like Caveats . . . Does he get me 6 per game or not
Someone's whos 48 minute per is 20 but on the stat sheet it says six. . .
well . . that means he got SIX!!

Rocket River

 

Translation:

I didn't really know what I was talking about. I went to go laugh about how bad of a rebounder Melo is, but then I saw he was 5th in the NBA at the SF spot!! Crap. Wait -- genius. Adjust per 48 minutes. Melo's not even a better rebounder than Ryan Bowen!! See, I knew he was an average rebounder.

 

I think he is ok as a rebounder but Marion and Wallace are good rebounders at the SF position.

But I will concede that he is a better than average rebounder for a SF....

Yes, he does, but he also plays more minutes than most SFs.....so I wanted to see how he stacked up on a per48 minute basis.

And that is not even adjusting for pace, which may help or hurt his rebounding numbers.


DD

 

All great points, I will concede that he is a pretty good rebounder for a SF.

DD

 

Alright, let me think this through from another perspective. I think everyone agrees that if we loose Yao to injury next season, with Melo or not, we are not going anywhere in the playoffs. Yes?

Now, so far as I can tell, most of the thinking here has been about how far we can go with Yao healthy next year. Will Melo be the right ingredient. yes?

OK, lets go another angle. Let suppose, God forbid, Yao does go down next year and we sign Melo over the summer. Where does that put us after 2010/11? Let assume Yao retires as he has said himself he would do.

Would we be in a better position in 2011/12 with or without Melo with no Yao?

 

I think we have a better chance at another SuperStar .. . .than without him.

Rocket River

 

Ahhh . . . the "Wait Until 2016" Approach.

I like it!!!

 

LOL - he asked who do I think would be the next superstar, I already answered who is now....come on now.

And I do not subscribe to the "Must have superstar" to win theory.

DD

 

So your saying we would have the cap space for this? Or enough assets left to make another trade?

 

He's saying that LeBron went to play for Miami because they had Wade & Bosh. That CP3 & Melo have been rumored to wanting to join forces in NY. That Kobe has Gasol.

If you want a star player these days, you better have one to pair him with. Hell, McGrady chose the Rockets because of Yao. So if Yao goes down/retires, then yes, we'd be in a better position to attain another star having Melo than we would be without him.

In other words, the Rockets are 10x more attractive to star players if they have someone like Melo on their team. The elite guys don't care how many good guys you have on your team -- they care about winning championships.

 

Here's an alternate take on why we should push to get Melo given the rumors are true; Yao's condition is iffy at best. Whatever anyone prints or says, only time will tell if he can still stand the rigors of a season and be a semblance of his old self. Think of Melo as a star insurance policy. Should Yao go down again (hoping he doesn't), Melo gives the team more credibility at acquiring another star *cough*CP3*cough* down the line. He's a legitimate chance to keep the ball rolling NOW towards a championship.

Here are the alternatives as i see it:

1. We can hope that Yao lasts and the team works as a cohesive unit. This sounds nice but are we really putting all our eggs in the Yao's healthy basket for another year? Yao's window isn't all that long and even he knows it with the possible retirement statement.

2. We can hope that CP3 considers us. Again, I think he's looking to get with a winning team and that spells Yao healthy once again...in 2 years at that. I don't know about you guys but that's a long time in NBA years and a lot can happen with us and other teams between now and then.

3. We hope another star would consider us out of the ones that are going to be available but that's really just hoping to hit the state lottery. Imagine a super star requesting a trade before his contract's up and asking to be moved to Houston. It seems to me that we're not that appealing anymore as a star destination much less without a star player to compliment their game.

4. We can sit and hope that one of our current players turns into a true franchise player of super star magnitude then leading us to championship contention. Anyone see this honestly happening? No Homers please.

5. For the Detroit-did-it-why-can't-we-crowd, to my knowledge, it hasn't happened in 30+ years. If numbers are anything to go by, that's even tougher to achieve than getting 2 super star players in one team and winning it all.

If we don't strike as soon as possible and Yao goes down and decided to call it quits, we'd be stuck in limbo hell again. A bunch of great complimentary players isn't going to get us to there. Good enough to make it to the playoffs without winning it all. Neither here nor there with a very little chance of making it big in the lottery and hoping that that if we get a lottery pick, it turns out to be a franchise player then wait for him to develop.

I get that Melo's a gamble that not everyone believes in but what would be a better gamble that him given what we have and our current predicament?

I don't know about about you guys but i'm not looking forward to another decade+ of rebuilding towards a championship caliber team and getting those pseudo stards in between. Yeah, i know some teams have rebuilt in less like the lakers and the Spurs but they lucked into 2 franchise players overlapping each other. A luxury we don't have.

 

It seems the NBA is looking more and more like a Good Ole Boy system
people want to be in places that have more Star power and chances to win.
I think our shot at CP3 would be better than without him.

Rocket River

 

Damn.. there are so many new posts in this thread since the last time I checked that I thought there was actually some news or something.

 

Yes, that has seemed to prove itself. Especially of late. But here is my main reservation. Their are some stars that other stars dont really want to be on the same team with. Certainly it doesnt need proving that having any star increases your chances automatically of getting another.

Some stars attract other stars.. Some do not. Which is Melo?

 

Well, the big rumor this summer was Chris Paul wanting to play with Melo in New York, so I'd say that's a pretty big clue.

Which players do other stars not want to be on the same team with? I'm struggling to think of any.

 

History is not on your side.

 

It is easy to look back and assign superstar status to teams, but sometimes winning championships makes star players considered to be a superstat.

It is an irrelevent argument....saying every team has one.....well, if this team wins...more than likely folks will say Yao was one....

DD

 

Wouldnt it be nice to have CP3 say: Ok, I will come to Houston when my contract expires if Melo is there.

 

No. Because then I'd be arguing on a 64 page thread against the idiots that wouldn't want CP3 or think that he's not a real superstar.

 

I dont think many would argue that CP3, Melo & Yao together couldnt be formidable. Anyone who disagrees with this should be banned from the site :grin: