Sources: Carmelo open to multiyear deal with Rockets

8 players is all you could come up with?
Wow! You are a hard marker.
IMO Dirk and Melo are basically the same player
Dirk is more consistant jumper .. and Melo drives more
Neither are exactly Mr. Defense.
I have never known Dirk to be a passing machine either
[maybe more willing but not exactly great at it]

Duncan's star has faded. Hard to say but it has.

I'm surprised Brandon Roy did not make the list.
or Steve Nash [Fading star too]


Rocket River

 

Argh, Nash...yes, he should be there.

The reason I put Dirk there is his rebounding, he does more than just score he also rebounds the ball fairly well.

For me a Superstar has to impact the game in more than just scoring.

There are plenty of star players, and Melo is there, but not a Superstar.

DD

 

My hopes for a 100+ page thread where DD posts something inane on every page are coming true.

 

You need to find something else to hope for, that is pretty weak.

Hating on a Rockets fan on a Rockets message board is generally weak....if you can't attack the message, the feeble minded attack the messenger.

Man up and post something substantive, or weenie up like you just did.

DD

 

Carmelo Anthony averaged more points, rebounds, steals, and assists than Dirk in last year's playoffs. #superstar

 

Look, you can believe that all you want, doesn't mean I have the same view.

I would not take one playoff year as any indicator of superstardome, that is a fairly weak argument.

Neither of their teams did all that well.....if you want a better indicator, look at career averages....that is where the meat of the argument lies.

DD

 

I'm sorry but when I open this thread and the first thing I'm reading is you telling somebody to stick their nose in your ass, that's pretty sad.

 

Agbee, that kid has been following me around for weeks doing nothing but making snide comments and in a previous thread said "I hate you more and more every time you post", if that offended you, then I apologize.

It was meant strictly for him.

I guess I just get tired of people coming into every thread and making dumbass comments about me and not the topic at hand, it gets a tad annoying.

Do a search for his comments, they are almost all about me, probably just a banned poster coming back to be annoying.

DD

 

Believe what? I just told you the facts, hombre. You're the one claiming Dirk to be a superstar over Carmelo -- apologies if the numbers don't fit nicely into your argument. Both of their teams sucked, except one team played without their head coach.

It's not a weak argument when you compare their ages. One of them is 26 and consistently getting better every year. The other is 32 and now past his prime. Which is more likely to sustain that type of production going forward? Which of these would you rather have for the future of your franchise? #easychoice #superstar

 

Judging someone to be a superstar on the basis of one playoff series is entirely weak.

One can only conclude that your standards are much lower than mine.

DD

 

You are right on. Carmelo put up those stats WHEN IT MATTERED.

Let's also not rule out Carmelo getting better. He's only 26 and barely one year older than Aaron Brooks! Imagine a guy like Carmelo getting better, that would be sick.

Morey has said that he wants to move for a star. And he has also said max players are the best bargains in basketball.

 

Perhaps.

But one might also come to the conclusion that my intelligence is much higher than yours, as you're seemingly trying to write off his production as a fluke. A write off that conveniently ignores the fact that he was averaging more points in the playoffs than Dirk the year before as well -- while on his way to beating Dirk's superstar led team 4-1. A write off that also attempts to ignore a 26 year old, whose barely starting to enter his prime, with a career playoff average of 24.5 points and 7.1 rebounds.

 

I don't think you were judging Carmelo to be a superstar based on that series alone. That series was just ADDITIONAL evidence.

 

.....and the only ones that even MAY be available in the near future are

CP3
DWill


Nobody else is going anywhere for a while.


So, with that in mind, DaDa,................

what is the next tier of players that are maybe right under superstar status?

 

I think we just have to wait and see, but I believe that once you are in the league for 7 years you are who you are......

Maybe John Wall will get there, maybe Blake Griffin, maybe Evan Turner, perhaps Brandon Roy....

We are just going to have to see....most players fall short.

DD

 

Hakeem Olajuwon says hello.

He had a clear jump in his 9th season.

Kobe winks at you also.

 

Yes, but Dream also did more than score, he did learn to trust his teamates more often, so there is a hope that Melo could as well.

I have been waiting for someone to bring him up....

The difference for me in that is that Dream played hard all the time on both offense and defense, he didn't always play smart, but he played hard. Same for Kobe.

Melo does not play hard on defense, he loafs a lot on that end, and when he doesn't get the ball, sometimes he is passive on offense as well.

Does that mean he can not have the light bulb go off and suddenly get how to play good team oriented winning basketball? No, of course not.

But if you are going to pay the guy the max in a declining salary cap market, you better be danged sure he is going to desire to be a winning player and not just someone that gets their own stats.

Sometimes, just like Dream, players try to do too much......trust is a hard thing to learn....maybe Melo will get there, and I guess you are willing to bet he will.....whereas, I am not.

DD

 

I can't believe there is a seriously a debate of whether you want Melo or not.
Wow. Wow. Wow.

Let's see how far we get with a team full of roleplayers.

 

Roleplayers?

What?

Yao Ming is a role player?
Kevin Martin is a role player?
Aaron Brook is a role player?
Luis Scola is a role player?

3 guys who averaged around 20ppg or more and another one who gets 18-9 when he gets the majority of the minutes.

I mean I guess technically they are all playing a role, but that is a role that is callled "damned good NBA player"

So yeah....give me that please.

DD

 

It's possible the light will go off for Melo. Just the fact that he is open to coming to Houston show's that he's smart and knows something special is going on here.

He can play better on defense, and he has shown he can. But he DOES play hard on offense AND he's a pretty good rebounder. Quite a bit better in grabbing boards than any swingman we have now, in fact.

As far as max contracts, Morey has said max players are the best bargains because their contracts are artificially limited.