Sources: Carmelo open to multiyear deal with Rockets

Mav-Hater · Aug 20, 2010

Stats are like a girl wearing a bikini.......they show a lot but they don't show it all!!!!!

Casey Stengel

Al Capone · Aug 20, 2010

Whats goin on in here?

megastahr · Aug 20, 2010

Mav-Hater said:

Stats are like a girl wearing a bikini.......they show a lot but they don't show it all!!!!!

Casey Stengel
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HAHA...

I dont know how but that works.

Bojangles · Aug 20, 2010

Have we gotten Melo yet?

pge71188 · Aug 20, 2010

Bojangles said:

Have we gotten Melo yet?
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yes!!

megastahr · Aug 20, 2010

I have watched enough games that I can tell you +/- is ridiculous...swap melo with a low +/- with chuck hayes high +/- ...you think the nuggets would get better? No they would prob drop from a 55 win team to a 30 win team.

Unless you have a degree from MIT or have advanced knowledge of sabremetrics...just watch the game.

lol

Mav-Hater · Aug 20, 2010

megastahr said:

I have watched enough games that I can tell you +/- is ridiculous...swap melo with a low +/- with chuck hayes high +/- ...you think the nuggets would get better? No they would prob drop from a 55 win team to a 30 win team.

Unless you have a degree from MIT or have advanced knowledge of sabremetrics...just watch the game.

lol
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I refer to my bikini quote and agree with you. You can use stats to bend your perception of reality any way you want it. I see clowns on here trying to use stats per 48 minutes to prove their points all the time but that never shows whether those were garbage minutes or whether those were against the 2nd units. Hell, If you only play in garbage time in games you were behind by 30 and your team cuts the lead to 20, every player on your bench ends with high +/-. My point with stats is until a person plays over a period of time in a starting roll, their stats don't mean a damn thing.

leebigez · Aug 20, 2010

People are focusing on the knicks situation when the nts are the team with the best deal. Favors,williams,murphy and taking back nene is going to be huge.

megastahr · Aug 20, 2010

Mav-Hater said:

I refer to my bikini quote and agree with you. You can use stats to bend your perception of reality any way you want it. I see clowns on here trying to use stats per 48 minutes to prove their points all the time but that never shows whether those were garbage minutes or whether those were against the 2nd units. Hell, If you only play in garbage time in games you were behind by 30 and your team cuts the lead to 20, every player on your bench ends with high +/-. My point with stats is until a person plays over a period of time in a starting roll, their stats don't mean a damn thing.
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Good point...i never even thought it of it like that...adding more fuel to my fire. heh

megastahr · Aug 20, 2010

leebigez said:

People are focusing on the knicks situation when the nts are the team with the best deal. Favors,williams,murphy and taking back nene is going to be huge.
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taking back nene????? i think just about any team in the nba would love to take back nene lol... Hed be perfect with yao... I hope whatever deal we offer...that we will be willing to take on nene heh.

coachbadlee · Aug 20, 2010

megastahr said:

taking back nene????? i think just about any team in the nba would love to take back nene lol... Hed be perfect with yao... I hope whatever deal we offer...that we will be willing to take on nene heh.
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Pretty sure he is referring to Denver getting rid of Nene's contract.

coachbadlee · Aug 20, 2010

leebigez said:

People are focusing on the knicks situation when the nts are the team with the best deal. Favors,williams,murphy and taking back nene is going to be huge.
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I really don't think the Nets are truly in the running because they will not have the team to entice Carmelo. He still wants to win.

ThaShark316_28 · Aug 20, 2010

leebigez said:

People are focusing on the knicks situation when the nts are the team with the best deal. Favors,williams,murphy and taking back nene is going to be huge.
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This is a two-team race. NJ and Houston, and NJ is in the lead.

J.R. · Aug 20, 2010

Carmelo Anthony's wish list could consist of a single destination.

"Melo wants it all," said his friend, indicating that Anthony's desire is to play for the Knicks.

Like many clubs, the Mavericks would naturally have interest in acquiring Anthony but the team reportedly believes that New York is where Anthony intends to wind up.

Without Anthony agreeing to sign an extension with the team to which the Nuggets would trade him -- a rare 'extend-and-trade' scenario -- Denver could have a hard time receiving quality offers in return.

"Carmelo wants the legacy. The fastest way for him to become a transcendent player is to get away from the Lakers (and the Western Conference), lead the Knicks to success, get that endorsement money, and be close to home (on the East Coast)," said a source. "He’s as concerned about his ‘image’ and his ‘profile’ as any player in the NBA. If he can pull this off, he’s right there with LeBron and Kobe."
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Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a...the_knicks_on_melos_wish_list/##ixzz0x9jwD95E

Original source of RealGM article:

Carmelo’s Leverage: The Two Reasons The Mavs (And Most Everybody Else) Aren’t In The ‘Melo Mix

By Mike Fisher and David Lord -- FOXSportsSouthwest.com

The Mavs are as fascinated by the Carmelo Anthony drama as anybody. And they are as enamored of the Carmelo Anthony talent as anybody, too. But sources tell FOXSportsSouthwest.com and DallasBasketball.com that there are two reasons the Mavericks are not in hot pursuit of the reportedly unhappy Nuggets superstar. And those same reasons – reasons in play due to an unusual form of leverage -- apply to pretty much everybody besides the New York Knicks.

Denver is in a trying situation, having put on the table an offer of a three-year extension worth $65 mil. That’s a max-money deal for a 26-year-old star who is the face of that franchise … but he’s so far leaving that offer sitting there on that table.

Between now and the mid-February trade deadline, there will be 30 teams – including the Nuggets -- wanting to employ Anthony. It that sense, for the Mavs, it would seem this situation mirrors the situation of New Orleans’ Chris Paul, who is very much on Dallas’ radar.

So why isn’t Carmelo Anthony showing up on that same radar at that same level?

Issue 1: Carmelo Anthony’s unusual Knicks-related leverage.

Any team that wishes to acquire Anthony will also ask him to sign an extension. NBA sources tell us they are so completely convinced that ‘Melo wants to land with the Knicks that he would be unwilling to sign such an extension with most any team, thus keeping his freedom for the summer of 2011.

So yes, a Mavs’ offer might be enough for Denver. (Dallas would give up a package like this: $3 million cash, two first-round draft picks, Roddy Beaubois, Caron Butler (one year at $10.8 mil and then expiring) and DeShawn Stevenson (one year at $4.1 mil and then expiring).

But if Anthony is focused on jumping teams again this summer, that’s a blockbuster package sacrificed for a one-year rent-a-player.

Dallas will not do that. Likely, no team will.

If Denver is to get top compensation (and if Dallas or any other team is going to chase a trade for him with strong value), the deal must include a ‘Melo extension, which means it's done with his cooperation. So if it's to happen, this has to become a Garnett-like deal. That means ‘Melo is in the middle of the negotiating, and he has to take a look at the ensuing landscape and decide that Dallas (or wherever) will be the place he wants to stay.

Without that, any of the millions of theoretical trade offers anyone can devise – as DB.com did earlier today in its “Mavs Amateur GM’’ piece – is meaningless.

It has to be noted that, if such a trade came together, the extension itself isn't merely a promise; it can formally be part of the trade. The NBA has a little-known provision in the rules that allows an Extend-and-Trade that works the very same way a Sign-and-Trade does. ‘Melo would sign an extension with Denver that is conditioned on his trade to some specified team within 48 hours.

If he picks (or approves) Dallas as an Extend-and-Trade destination? Then both teams have massive urgency to do a deal. Team X has an opportunity to get a star and Denver has the chance to get value.

And the key wouldn't be about the offer itself. It would be about where Carmelo is willing to stay. First and foremost, that's the primary hurdle in negotiating to get Carmelo Anthony in another uniform if the Nuggets are willing to make a deal.

Without the extension, the Mavs are not interested. Nor will most other teams be interested. Because that will simply set up his next team to get “LeBron’ed’’ in the way Denver is trying to avoid.

And there lies Anthony’s unusual leverage. … and why this is more “pipedreamy’’ than so many other superstar-getting concepts. He has no official “veto’’ power, but his position gives him that de facto muscle.

Says one source: “Carmelo wants the legacy. The fastest way for him to become a transcendent player is to get away from the Lakers (and the Western Conference). lead the Knicks to success, get that endorsement money, and be close to home (on the East Coast). He’s as concerned about his ‘image’ and his ‘profile’ as any player in the NBA. If he can pull this off, he’s right there with LeBron and Kobe.’’

One report says Orlando might be on ‘Melo’s list. DB.com has a source saying that the Bulls and Nets might be able to satisfy his desires. But the strongest opinion we collected today comes from one person who has a friendship with Anthony.

“’Melo wants it all,’’ he said, indicating that means New York.

Therefore, this really isn’t about the Nuggets and their wishes. This takes a high level of self-awareness on the part of the Nuggets – a self-awareness that Cleveland did not have with LeBron and that Toronto did not have with Chris Bosh. There is wisdom to trading him before the deadline and the best offers they will receive will come from teams ‘Melo will want to remain with long-term.

And Dallas is willing to bet that that “wish list’’ includes one team: The Knicks.

Issue 2: The ways in which this situation is not like Chris Paul’s.

On the surface, there would seem to be parallels. But we are told that in Dallas’ view, Paul’s availability in New Orleans was/is due to a perfect storm: Wobbly ownership, a now-fired GM not viewed favorably by the player, a franchise with no history of success.

Meanwhile, Anthony’s availability is not the result of any real problems in Denver. (As one source put it: “It’s not that he’s unhappy. It’s that going back East would make him happier.’’) This story is fueled completely by Carmelo Anthony’s primary desire to become a New York Knick … and that’s reason enough for the Mavs and rest of the NBA to serve as rubberneckers at a potential transaction that is being driven by a player who is not a free agent but is nevertheless crafting a way to orchestrate his freedom.
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http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/0...asons/landing.html?blockID=292381&feedID=4519

DaDakota · Aug 20, 2010

ThaShark316_28 said:

This is a two-team race. NJ and Houston, and NJ is in the lead.
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I think it is a one horse race, and Melo gets to decide.....

It is NY and NJ, IMO, we are simply leverage tossed out by the Nuggets.

DD

SWTsig · Aug 20, 2010

yeah, this isn't happening folks... move along.

Mav-Hater · Aug 20, 2010

megastahr said:

taking back nene????? i think just about any team in the nba would love to take back nene lol... Hed be perfect with yao... I hope whatever deal we offer...that we will be willing to take on nene heh.
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i hope they force us to take back Nene

ABrooks0 · Aug 20, 2010

And it looks less likely as the days go by..

DaDakota · Aug 20, 2010

ABrooks0 said:

And it looks less likely as the days go by..
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DD

worzel gummidge · Aug 20, 2010

Twitter posts relating to Melo. Was Friedman his source? The Rockets knew Melo was OK with a trade to Houston at least 3 weeks ago?
http://twitter.com/dreamshakesbn

# @thashark316 Wasn't out there. Heard it from a source close to him.
5:42 AM Aug 19th via web
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# @zepp1978 Sure is. Was actually aware of this about 3 weeks ago. Didn't want to make too much noise about it, put a cheap tweet out there.
3:27 AM Aug 19th via web
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# Finally, the Melo-to-Rockets news gets public.
3:23 AM Aug 19th via web
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# According to Sources, Carmelo Would be Open to Multiyear Deal With Houston #Rockets #NBA http://sbnation.com/e/1393763
3:11 AM Aug 19th via SB Nation
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