Sources: Brian Hoyer named starting QB

The real question surrounding this team is NOT whether to draft a QB in the early round last year.

But rather why will you bring in Fritz and Hoyer to the camp and then eventually decided to start these guys?

Take a look at the other NFL teams this season for the QB position :

established starter : NE, Cin, Bal, Pit, Den, KC, SD, Ind, Atl, Car, NO, GB, Det, Chi, Dal, NYG, SEA, SF, Ari, Mia.

These teams are pretty much set with their starter and no reason for any changes.

Young and developing QB : Min, Jac, Ten, TB, Oak.

These teams you can understand they will need to be patient.

and then the rest :

Phi and Stl - they were both not really keen on their current QB and ended up to do a swap, whether it will work out? we don't know, but at least they have the courage to take the risk to try.

Buf - yes they signed Cassell and also have a first round failure Manual, but they eventually willing to take the risk on a total unknown to start the season, again we will not know if that will eventually work out, but they are willing to take the risk for improvement.


So what are the rest?

NYJ - the writings are on the wall for Jeno Smith, but the team still want to stick with him and the only other option is to sign Fritz to be his backup.

Cle Browns - its even worse, they are a joke.

Was Redskins - they are a mess, terrible organization from top to bottom and of course the way they handle their QB is a joke also.

and then your beloved Texans - which we stuck between the choices of Hoyer and Mallet.

No one should expect every moves will work out, especially on QB, the highest failure position. But its how your team will be prepared for the season and what kind of option and decision you will make will actually reflects what kind of organization and management you are having.

For this only, we suck.

Just as bad as like the Jets, Brown, Skins.

 

I should also add, if there happens to be another all-time great who is NOT coming off degenerative nerve condition surgery... and you have the ability to create the cap space while maintaining talent... you sign that guy. (in this case, I can only possibly see Brees and maybe Brady as older guys who would ever possibly sniff the open market).

This is obviously the long-shot... but their options would be more open at this point to accommodate that sort of situation, vs. having a young or established QB locked into the fold at a high salary cap figure when that player came on the market.

 

Ok, and if OB never likes a guy in the first 3 rounds, what do you do? You just never take a QB and continue down the road of signing the Matt Cassel's of the world?

At some point, you need to take a chance to see if a guy pans out. Im not saying use a 1st round pick...but a 2nd or 3rd will not ruin a team if it doesn't work out.

We're two years into the OB experiment and we haven't attempted much of a push to fix the biggest hole on the team. Im fine with Mallett...but if we have another 8 or 9 win season, and we happen to not like any QB in the draft, again...then that's a major red flag for me.

 

BTW, regarding Manning...all it would have taken was a physical to see what kind of shape Peyton was in. There was video released of him throwing balls at Duke (I think), and he was throwing very well.

Plus, Manning wanted to come here...it would and should have been an easy decision.

The cap was certainly an issue (Thanks Rick), but there was enough fat that could have been cut to make it happen. You would have let some decent talent go, but if (big IF with this organization) you drafted well, those players would have done a decent job replacing the released players.

 

No, I'm presuming that if there's a QB BOB doesn't like... he's passing on them BECAUSE he's expecting them to become the future Matt Cassel's of the world, guys you don't have to spend high draft picks on or hitch your entire regime to.

You're almost taking the panic/grief-striken view. You're THAT desperate for a QB that you don't realize what you're advocating for (drafting anybody, as long as its a QB) isn't much different than what they're doing now (in terms of end-of-the-day results)

No, we're one year in... at the start of year 2... with the still slight possibility that Mallet "wins" the position and becomes the consistent strong-armed big QB that many envisioned he could be back when he was drafted.

I just don't see any QB's they missed out on last year that at this time drastically changes their future possible %, nor will it be impossible to get "that" quality of QB in the future (if that is your idea of a high-ceiling QB).

 

I don't think they doubted his ability to throw (albeit only a fraction of what he used to do)... they feared what would happen with a big hit. Hell, that's still a fear (and now he can't throw anymore).

In hindsight, sure. But coming off a 12-4 season and knowing you'll have to cut some valuable pieces to make room? I dunno... even knowing how it all turned out now (and knowing some of the names that would have had to have been let go to make room)... AND knowing that even him playing at an MVP level on a young/stacked team didn't guarantee a Super Bowl (if what happened to him in Denver happened in Houston, it would have been the typical "houston is cursed!")... I dunno.

I guess I'm not losing sleep over it.

 

No, I don't want any QB. I think Bortles sucks...Teddy B wasn't available when the Texans drafted. I liked Carr's potential because of his arm and think that with proper coaching, he could be a solid starter. Not all time great, but good enough. I was mixed on Jimmy, but again, I think coaching goes a long way for these young QBs...and if OB really like Jimmy, which reports say is accurate, then shame on the Texans for not going after him.

I like the potential of Mallett, but then OB screws it up by bringing Hoyer into the mix. Pointless move.

And again, you cant sit here and decide that since a player sucks with the Raiders, then they would suck everywhere else. You don't know until you take someone.

Now, okay, lets say OB liked nobody in the 2014 draft...and nobody in the 2015 draft...you don't think it would be odd if he didn't like anyone in the 2016 draft either?

We'll see how Mallett turns out this year, but if we go through the 2016 draft and OB still doesn't like anyone, then we have issues. Agree or no? Or do you need the 2017 draft to see if OB likes anyone?

 

You yourself just said you didn't like anybody in the 2014 draft except for Carr. You didn't like the guy universally regarded as the "best" QB prospect that year. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for that draft class, and doesn't exactly make BOB look like an idiot for passing.

And as questionable as 2014 was, 2015 was even worse! (minus the top 2 picks).

Lets see how this year turns out and see what's out there. I don't pretend to be a draft or college football expert by any means... and I also know what appears like a slam dunk now, may not be so in 6 months (think Matt Barkley). Don't ignore the veterans or QB salary cap casualties that could also come on the market (Brees, Dalton, Cutler).

In the mean time, continue to fill the areas of need. I though KJ was a great pickup at CB (in addition to re-signing K-Jax to shore up that position). If Cushing and Foster are cap casualties, you need to address those areas as well. I think WR is good enough for now. TE is a problem if CJ goes the XSF route.

 

Bortles got way too hyped that year...Teddy B, Jimmy G, Carr...heck, even Savage, are better imo, than Blake. I wouldn't have been upset with moving up to get Teddy, but I wont hold that against them for now. But, if TB ends up being a very good QB, then it's on OB for not recognizing that. Im also sure that someone on that Wash U lineup could have done the job as well.

 

Most definitely. Hell, its also on Jax, Cleveland, and other QB poor teams that passed on him too for very similar reasons/questions we've all had about him.

 

Wonder what happens when he announces Hoyer starts on Sunday? Should be epic!

 

I imagine the Panthers will be thrilled about the news.

 

In here? All hell breaks loose. In the sports radio world? lines jammed/flooded.

In reality? Not a whole damn lot... like I said earlier, I imagine the team already knows who the starter will be, and tomorrow is gameplan implementation day.

 

I think Hoyer is gonna start, but if he starts off sloppy BOB is gonna have a short leash.

 

We already witnessed that. Tragically, though, I think you're right.

By time Hoyer has underthrown five receivers while throwing a pick, we'll bench him. It'll probably after halftime.


Hoyer struggled when Alex Mack went down last year. That's when his blocking got worse. Our line wasn't great Sunday, and they pressured him a bunch. History says he's going to be God awful in those situations.

 

It's sad that very likely the only person surprised by Hoyer playing like crap was Bill O'Brien. I'd bet even Hoyer's family members expected him to play poorly given that they've watched him play before.

 

Or, you know, Mallet is worse.

Sure, maybe OBrien knows zero about football.

Or maybe Mallet is not good at football.

Take the logical pick. Or continue being a typical causal fan.

 

That hasn't been the case at any point....but I'll wait for you to figure it out on your own.

 

I keep seeing you saying this but the reality is hoyer has always been a noodled armed back up and a pretty good one at that, but if your banking on him as your starter your in trouble and this was proven last year in clev and not shocking in the very first game in Hou.

I agree the odds that mallet is the guy is slim but we do know for fact that hoyer is not and never will be the guy. What's bob got to lose, it's not like Rick is going to fire him over this we all know that.

Mallet has looked decent to very good in the limited snaps we've seen him in regular season action outside of the game he played with a torn pectoral and even in that game we still had a chance to tie that game up in the end and force overtime.

I just find it hard to believe that hoyer is just flat out performing that much better in practice I really don't. I think BOB like Hoyer because he's a yes man and is a smart guy who understands exactly what BOB expects from his gamelan but at some point he needs to realize that yes maybe Hoyer can lead us to a 9-7 record again but if that's the case why not just bring back Fitzy? At least the city embraced him and he played with fire plus he had a cool james harden beard.