Pretty F'n much. To those saying "Overreact much" and the like about Hoyer's performance week 1. It's not overreaction. This is Hoyer's career. He's probably a nice guy to have backing up and in emergency situations but that is at best.
Know that...i implied as he kept falling in the 1st round, the Texans shouldve been on the phone line trying to move back in the 1st round(especially with New England and Bill Belichick) for a highly touted and respected college QB. The Texans wouldve been in better shape with Teddy Bridgewater and Ryan Fitzpatrick than anything we currently have... If you ask BOB now about Teddy or Derek, his viewpoint wouldve been much different than January of 2014. Oh and one more thing...the QB we did draft ends up being IR'd for the season...smdh
The problem is that if you're not taking a QB in the first 2-3 rounds...what's the purpose of taking one in the 4th? You may as well have tried to take a safety like Glover Quin. There has just been a major mismanagement of the QB situation...we've had opportunities to trade for Foles or Bradford...we've had opportunities to spend a high pick on a QB. But, we keep missing the chances AND having the misfortune of those high picks not contributing much to our team. After last season, the smart move would have been to keep Fitz and either draft a QB or trade for one. Then, Fitz would either be your starter or your back up...and in either situation, the Texans would be better off this season.
Yeah I feel like the team is just waiting for a franchise QB to just fall in their lap. They should have been making calls and moves to move up a few spots and take Bridgewater. I am really glad we invested so much on defense but the QB position has been neglected like a crappy frat house backyard for too long.
"After eating hashbrowns, those little delicious cocktail weiners and shovel sized pancakes while I nodded off between feedings today and yesterday, I don't think Hoyer should be benched." - Johnny Pancakes
That's not what I said. He does need to change the way he thinks and come to the realization that a QB should be a high priority. He's continually made comments about how you can win it all with a great defense and a game manager at QB. The failures of the franchise all start with him...just look at how he handles Rick Smith. It starts from the top and trickles down to the bottom, just like any business.
A franchise was coming to Houston regardless. No you cannot fire the owner but you can still discuss how unbelievably mediocre he and his football organization has been since day 1.
Huh? Explain who the other candidates were that had both the financial backing and motivation to get a team here? Jim Crane??? LOL. Sure... but if you're looking to change the owner, you might as well follow another team.
Foles or Bradford isn't the answer. If the goal is to get a long term franchise QB, then those guys aren't it. If by opportunities you mean the Clowney #1 pick, then technically yes we did. But the only option that high was Bortles, but I'm not high on that guy. If you mean the first couple rounds then you're left with Garoppolo and Carr and a trade for Bridgewater. I like TB, but wasn't high on the others going into the draft. We still have to wait and see if those were bad decisions. Before that, there really wasn't much of an opportunity at all. 2013 had EJ Manuel and Geno Smith. 2012 had Russell Wilson but everybody passed on him. Nobody expected him to be as good as he is as soon as he was. Seattle was ready to give the QB job to Matt Flynn. But regardless, at the time Schaub was healthy and playing like a Top 10 QB, it didn't make sense to spend a high pick on a QB. Not unless a top guy just fell into their lap which never happened. Aside from reaching for Bortles or maybe trading up to take Bridgewater last year, I really don't think they've had opportunities to spend a high pick on a QB, at least not one that would've panned out. With the exception of Wilson, all the QBs who've panned out in the last 7-8 years have been picked before the Texans first pick. (Theoretically, they could've drafted Dalton or Kaepernick, but at the expense of Watt). Who would we have drafted this year? Winston and Mariota were taken 1, 2. Did you want Garrett Grayson? Sean Mannion? We already drafted a project QB in 2014. Why draft another project before you see if the one you just drafted pans out or not? The problem isn't that they're constantly missing out on great QBs. The problem is that there haven't been any great QBs available and instead of reaching and committing to a guy that will hamstring you if he doesn't pan out, they're opting to tread water at the position, committing very little and keeping their options open if something legit does come available.
With the exception of when Casserly was here he gives his coach full control of the team. He just rehashes whatever the coach tells him behind the scenes as to why they are doing what they do. McNair is not picking the players except for giving a criteria of the type of personal traits he wants in a Texans. IE no rapist, criminals, etc... The only mistakes you can say he's made is putting the wrong people in charge.
I think you're overestimating how much impact he has in personnel decisions. Much like any big buisness, he relies on paid consultants/experts to make those sorts of decisions... right down to the coach, color scheme, and stadium. By all accounts, he's hands off (yet isn't overly cheap... which is really the only way a non meddelsome owner can really impact things)... and don't even get started on Rick Smith and his "role". Complaining about the owner is one fruitless endeavor.
You and Payne are both guilty of the same thing: creating an argument no one is having. Brian Hoyer did not have a good game yesterday; if someone is arguing that he did, or excusing it - that person is probably not worth talking football with. Now, does Brian Hoyer deserve a longer leash? That's a totally fair question. I didn't think there was any way he'd bench Hoyer this quickly. Generally, coaches don't endear themselves by being irrationally impatient; it's a really bad look. Players need to know they have a little more rope than a single play.* But his not standing up for Hoyer today makes me think he'll let the week of practice dictate the starter, which, frankly, is an even worse indictment. You made a decision, own it - at least for more than one week. * Which, let's be honest, is essentially what this boils down to, right? If that first series is a three-and-out, and everything else breaks the same... Hoyer is essentially a league average QB (based on QB rating - it would have been 83 if you replace the pick with 2 incompletions). Understand: I am not excusing his performance; it was lackluster, even without the INT. But the INT made it look sooooooo much worse, IMO; first play; egregiously bad pass; set-up 6 easy points... hard not to have '13 Schaub flashbacks.
Good post... those overly complaining about the QB situation right now are still basically complaining that they didn't trade up to get Bridgewater last year, as that was the only plausible/palatable scenario they actively didn't jump on. At least nobody's complaining about not trading up to get the QB that was drafted even higher than Bridgewater... because, you know, all these highly drafted QB's always pan out and teams that pass on them have no idea what they're doing.
agree with this 100%... it starts from the top down. it's not difficult to think - quite easily mind you - that winning is not a top priority for mcnair. there's just no other way to explain the total lack of urgency he's had from day one, nor the level of incompetence that has routinely been displayed by texans' brass. it's frustrating as hell, especially when you see how well the FO's of Houston's other two major franchises operate with aggressive, analytical and unorthodox GM's who take EVERY opportunity to improve the team... well except keeping carter on the roster
Let's not play a game of 1+1=87. Just because Foles and Bradford were traded does not necessarily mean there was an opportunity; that the Rams or Eagles put both players on the trading block. And, even if they were - let's also keep perspective: they were dealt for each other. So the asking price was an above-average, relatively young NFL starting QB. The Texans did not have that resource. So even if they knew, they likely were on the outside looking in - unless you wanted them to break the bank for either? I'm fine with an overall narrative of the Texans blowing their QB situation to smithereens; but we don't have to make things up to make it worse. I sincerely doubt Foles or Bradofrd was an option here.
Come on Seth! You know the franchise. They accept mediocrity. Who wouldn't want the QB that the Cleveland Browns ran out of town with pitchforks and crack pipes.
