So, according to you... it doesn't matter if a QB throws a lot of picks, and it doesn't matter if a QB loses games (with both metrics going hand in hand). So what exactly does matter to you? We know its not arm strength, based on your love of Fitz. We know its not intelligence or making the right reads, based on your belief that Mallett deserves a chance to start. And we also know that your opinion on QB's changes with a blink of an eye, after according to you, "showing you something you can see..." Nothing will be known till you see what these guys can do on the field in real regular season game action in THIS system, with this coaching staff. You act as if no QB has ever gone to a better situation and gotten better. And as I said earlier, Mallett was not good enough to beat out Hoyer... so why are you crying over it?
No according to me, all that matters is QB performance, not the outcome of the game. According to you a QB could toss 15 interceptions every game, but if his team happens to win, then he's awesome. Give me a QB who performs well with a 3-13 record over a QB who performs terribly yet his team manages to win the SB.
Its incredibly stupid and ironic for him to say that a QBs record is not indicative of performance. That's the whole reason people are butt hurt. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be having this conversation. It's the position, undeniably, that most manifests to win loss record. What I was trying to say is that, as much as Hoyer is being trashed on, he's 10-6 as a starter, for a worse team and coach, in the past two years. 10-6 equals playoffs. That's second grade math. He's coming to a better team, better system, and better coach, but people are whining because he's not the sexy pick. How does win loss record not tie directly to performance? That's laughable. Sure, a defense can win a game with a pick six. Sure, a kickoff return for a TD can change a game, but Chris Weinke's career record does not compare to Peyton Manning's for a reason. Just as how a defense can win a game for you, the quarterback throwing that pick six can lose a game for you. Did you forgot about what happened a few years ago. Wow. I can't believe people. And to think that they've basically called themselves the only smart Texans fan around. Excuse me while I pass out from laughing.
It's getting deep and smelly in here. You'd rather have an all pro QB than a super bowl? Holy crap. Man oh man, take a timeout.
No... because a QB that would throw 15 INT/game WOULD NOT BE WINNING GAMES. Again, I'll ask you the question... which metrics matter to you? Because at this point, you apparently don't care about interceptions (and by that logic TD/INT ratio), you don't care about wins/losses, you don't case about arm strength, you don't factor in a QB's decision making/intelligence in determining playing time, you're unwilling to concede that QB's have the ability to improve in the "right" situation... and lastly, you're unwilling to even give the slightest shred of credit that BOB and his staff actually does know what they're doing. Doesn't mean Hoyer will be a worldbeater... but according to the people in charge, who know a lot more than you do, he's better than Mallett... and those are the only two options BOB has at the moment.
Actually, that's not at all true either, because you continually trash QBs you haven't seen perform at all.
15 a game is an exaggeration for effect, Ben Roethlisberger had 2 interceptions and 0 TD's with a 22 QB rating and his team win the damn SB....do most people remember that he was terrible or do they just call him a SB champion? Exactly my point. Most people like you have been run out of baseball and a lot of you have been run out of basketball discussions but for some reason "just winz" is still alive and well in football. I'm hoping it's just a matter of time before the average football fan evolves beyond that foolish thinking.
Yeah wins dosn't matter. Which is why one of the major advanced stats for baebsall is WAR. You know, wins above replacement? Bunch of ignoramuses. Go by the Bobby eye test!
Current Coach and last coach picks a QB and he is automatically the starting QB even before he has a chance to see what the other QBs on the team can do. Last coach look what it did for us a 2 win season. Hoyer was going to be the starting QB no matter what if I were savage I would be asking to be cut or released he will be lucky to get 10 snaps this season. Savage looked pretty dam good in the last preseason game Hoyer looked very rusty.
So for the third time... which metrics matter most to you? How do you judge a QB to be doing well? Because you're all over the place... the same reasons why you're faulting Hoyer could have been said about Fitz (other than wins/losses). The same reasons why Mallet legitimately couldn't beat out Hoyer (decision making/reads/avoiding bad turnovers) are just totally ignored. I don't expect you to be able to answer the question without severely contradicting one of your previous 5 million posts... so maybe you can take some time to think about what you've evolved into regarding your ability to accurately judge a QB situation.
Metrics relating to actual performance like completion percentage, TD to interception ratio, yards per game, yards per attempt, QB rating....there's tons of metrics that you'd look at when trying to judge a QB's performance. Only a simpleton would think W-L record would be in any way relevant to that conversation because there are WAY too many variables outside the control of the QB. Again, 2 of the all time greatest seasons by any QB ever ended in 7-9 records.
That just means you failed to understand what I said.....not that it really shocks me. This forum really needs some new blood, perhaps more people that understand the game.
That's not what's happening at all. I make solid points, people fail to follow along then I have to spell things out for them. Things would move a lot quicker and more smoothly if I didn't have to break everything down Barney style. I mean, radical ideas like judging individual players by their individual performance instead of by team performance just blows people's minds here for some reason. It gets tiresome.
So following this logic, it's pointless to handwring over the decision to start Hoyer. It's not just up to the QBs performance but that of the team relative to the schedule they play. This argument back on forth therefore has no point. Others of us can say that it depends more of a healthy Foster makes it back, the Oline issues get fixed (XSF lives up to his pick), and health of the defense are most critical to success this season. Then there are a few who will get into pointless arguments, call others stupid, and somehow see there rep keep increasing because of it. Forget it, time to lose my damn mind too so I can catch up.
