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Sorry PJ, it is just business

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Dec 7, 2020.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Actually you make more from Patreon and direct contributions....unless you have MILLIONS of followers .

    DD
     
  2. beardsanity713

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    PJ is a great role player; but how often do role players pout publicly about their contract?
    That was on MDA playing him those unnecessary minutes when we had available alternatives.
    He has made no All NBA defensive teams or had any accolades to justify an extension. As a NBA starter he averaged 6 ppg and 6 reb below average starter numbers especially with all the open looks he gets. He cant dribble cant finish gets burned on perimeter by quicker players. Yes he hustles and gives effort not taking anything away from him and his contributions. His defense simply isn't good enough to cover his other obvious weaknesses imo. He should just ball out and play his contract out and if he is as valuable as he believes he'd command the money and years he's looking for in free agency
     
  3. wekko368

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    Why are you overlooking Tucker's role on the team? Not all starters are the same. Some are closer to replacement level role players while others are stars. Where do you think PJ Tucker falls?

    Do you also give him bonus points for having a stellar shoe collection?

    I'm confused. Why am I uneducated? Because Tucker has played a lot of years and made a lot of money? Or because he hasn't?

    In any case, kudos to you for covering all the bases.
     
  4. J.R.

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    LOL :rolleyes:

    “Ripe for the taking!” ... (2 weeks later) “Warriors no longer interested in Tucker; weren’t that interested to begin with...”





    The Warriors aren't going to offer a king's ransom for Tucker, nor should they. But they absolutely should offer their $9.3 million disabled player exceptionto Houston for him, which might turn out to be the kind of offer the Rockets ultimately deem acceptable. Golden State could throw in a future draft pick -- with protections -- to further entice Houston. That way, the Rockets would lower payroll and acquire future assets in one fell swoop.

    Is that fair value for Tucker? No, probably not. But beggars can't be choosers, and the Rockets currently must be categorized as the former. It's certainly possible Houston will get better offers for him, in which case the Warriors might be out of luck. But with the Rockets' situation looking like it will only get worse, there is a potential opportunity for Golden State to come away with a major steal.
     
  5. HP3

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    This is an eye test analysis. There are plenty of players who complain about their contracts no matter what role they are. Lol what alternatives did we have to playing PJ? Accolades dont mean crap, he's was our best defensive players and usually gets put on the best offensive player night in and night out. But if you want one, how about being selected to TEAM USA. He's one of the best(if not the best) corner 3 point shooter in the game and one of the best defensive player on our team. He's also a locker room leader and glue guy. Just this last playoffs he was the second in RAPTOR on our team for the playoffs. I think he had the highest net rating out of all of our starters for the Laker series too.

    Or how about we just extend him? If Harden leaves, you get a locker room leader who can help out the young guys, but if Harden stays you have a championship role player.
     
  6. HP3

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    The people who do know basketball and care about loyalty(and principles) want to extend him. The people who dont know basketball and are scummy: It's just business.

    Harden should be leaving people like you sorry bunch.
     
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    why does every team want to help the warriors. The nba gifted them dangelo Russell when the nets didn’t have to do that. Then the warriors flip Russell to the wolves for Wiggins and a unprotected pick in 2021. The nba lottery set them up to get James wiseman and they just got Kelly oubre for nothing. Now they want pj tucker. How much help does Steph curry need.. god damn
     
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    I agree mostly but we all know the NBA is a business. The team USA was cool I forgot about that although I could argue EG being the best defender on the team. He was apart of the current Knicks culture as Harden put it he's been here awhile I've never heard him being a locker room guy just a captain defensively he just follows Harden around from what I can see.
     
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    Man it’s always been business - whether you’re knowledgeable about basketball or not. These dudes ( like every other prof athlete) are playing a game backed by a billionaire dollar business.

    Don’t kid yourself with this “loyalty” or principles talk.
     
  10. wekko368

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    Also, PJ Tucker has been with the Rockets for only 3 years. It's premature to talk about loyalty.
     
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  11. HP3

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    [QUOTE="beardsanity713, post: 13277908, member: 56535" He was apart of the current Knicks culture as Harden put it he's been here awhile I've never heard him being a locker room guy just a captain defensively he just follows Harden around from what I can see.[/QUOTE]
    He was the bright spot in the culture. And no I don think that's not true. He is a leader.
     
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    Im not gonna address ignore content directly but LOL yes, these 3 years have mean a lot. And Tucker has been key cog in our championship aspirations. Players like this do deserve loyalty. That's what separates good organizations from the trash ones.
     
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  13. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    And they are over, people get paid on what they can do in the future, and an aging PJ Tucker is not going to be the same player as the 32ish year old that played briefly for the USA

    He is in decline, you can see it....successful team's do not pay for loyalty, they reload....


    DD
     
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  14. HP3

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    Again, Tucker has at least two more good years left in him. If Harden leaves, why not extend him for less but a longer contract to help the young guys. But if Harden stays, you should extend him two more years. He's still a valuable piece.

    There hasnt been any indication of any significant decline especially when the guy was asked to play heavy minutes out of position.
     
  15. wekko368

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    Unless each year is a team option or you're talking about the vet minimum, that move would reduce roster and salary cap flexibility.

    Keep in mind there are plenty of players who would love to get paid the minimum to sit at the end of the bench and mentor the young guys.

    Look at Udonis Haslem and the Miami Heat.
     
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    Yup and in no way does it impact the rockets salary/roster besides LTS. Of course the people who are broke and cheap would be worried about that. It’s one of the biggest reasons this team has failed to put together a legitimate supporting cast and no wonder harden wants out. And people are shocked at why the things are currently the way they’re are. Go figure
     
  17. HP3

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    Yup. And honestly LOOOOOOOOL at the people worried about roster flexibility if Harden leaves. That is such a complete joke.
     
  18. YOLO

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    No idea where roster flexibility came from. Complete gimmick. The rockets are a team operating over the cap with LTS. There is next to none.
     
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    Incorrect. It matters for trading purposes. For instance, the Suns signed Ariza to a 1-year, $15m contract a few years ago so they would have a $15m expiring contract to trade.
     
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  20. YOLO

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    Nope. It doesn’t matter
     

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