Then you'd rather not have the glory. Thats OK, you have made some weird decisions in the past. Simms doesn't have a GOOD legacy, and he probably never will have one (in the eyes of every non-Texas fan). Major does. And thats the 11th win.
Glory comes in total wins, to most people. Simms has said it himself. Who cares about legacy? Applewhite was the little guy with a big heart that got benched... Simms is the big guy with the great talent that took the underdog's spot... now which do you think most people are going to support? It's not hard to figure out. I could care less what legacy he has; people are going to hate him regardless of what he does. All that matters is winning, which he has done more than Major and other quarterbacks in recent Texas history.
Patrick Ewing would rather have won the Championship than be the best Knick player ever and hold all the records, etc. Good Legacies are searched for throughout sports. It looks like Barry still has to wait for his ultimate goal.
Nate Hybl is building one helluva legacy then. He's 15-1 as a starter at OU. Hybl must be better than Simms by this argument.
That is still a ****ty ratio. Last I checked, no football league kept earned number ints. I also hop you're not counting 3 of the td's from the 2001 holiday bowl against UO. Because, while there were 3 drops, if there had been one catch, you can remove two from your "earned touchdown" number. Also, Roy may have dropped a pass for an int, but that was not a gimme catch. BJ also saved Simms from an interception. What the fock was Chris thinking?
I haven't read much of this thread. Skimmed it. Don't care for much. Except for this. I came home late from a poker game where I lost semi-big. I am realizing that if you were there, everyone else and I would beat your ass, literally. I'm sorry for being harsh, but you are a liar and a cheat. After our San Antonio bet, I've emailed you numerous times. I've even posted about it on the BBS many times. All I have received are excuses. I don't even want your money anymore. This is about principle. I've already told you that you can donate the money you owe me to the CC.NET tipjar. But Heypartner has ceased his Ming Cato arrangement. I am reminding you that you still owe. Put that money in the tipjar now. You continually put off the money that you owed me until I gave you a way out. I don't know if you have taken that way out. I only remember reading an "I will" type answer. But that was the same "I will" you gave when you wrote about paying me the money you owe. Give me an "I did put the money I owed Kim into the CC.Net tipjar" and I, Kim, will drop this issue forever.
It's beyond perplexing to see The Cat jocking Chris Simms to this degree. This guy misses wide open guys a lot (which is funny to see The Cat talk about all these tipped interceptions, why do you think that is? Off target throws like that one against Iowa St where he threw high and behind Williams and then leading your receiver into a huge hit by a DB or safety like in the OU game), he throws into coverage a lot, he focuses in one receiver too much, he's fragile in his confidence, and his feet in the pocket are terrible. Whenever a rusher has an angle on him he's simply unable to sidestep and make an accurate throw. So when The Cat says Simms is going to be an NFL star, I would remind him that even the sloths of the position (Marino, Fouts) can sidestep the rush and deliver an accurate throw.
Different day, same tired argument. Take a look at all these threads from LAST YEAR and tell me they're not eerily similar to what's being discussed now (and over and over again). A bad case of deja vu, if you ask me. 10/6/01 thread on Simms 10/21/01 thread on Simms vs. Applewhite 12/2/01 thread - Chievous admits defeat at defending Simms Another 12/2/01 discussion of Simms The list goes on and on and on. For all of you debating until you're blue in the face, I direct you to the moral of the Dr. Seuss story of the South-Going Zax and the North-Going Zax. Look it up...
I did donate that money, at least a couple of months back. And I posted as such on the BBS. Also, gr8-1, as I already said, I am only counting that sequence as one touchdown. Also, BJ "saved" Simms from an interception because the blocking broke down, and Simms was nailed as he threw. That would not have been earned, because the blocking caused the bad throw, like the Roy Williams hit on Simms in the end zone in the 2001 OU game. Oh, and that throw to Roy Williams that was picked off was in stride and directly in the hands. Nice try, though.
Cat, You really aren't a very good judge of talent. I admire your fandome, but man, your support of a very average QB is baffling. I will bet you double that dollar you owe me that Vincent Young has a MUCH better career then Chris (Stand in the pocket) Simms. DaDakota
I'm not a very good judge of talent? Hmm... I wonder why I picked Deuce McAllister as a better fit for that New Orleans offense than Ricky Williams. I wonder why I was about one in a thousand to pick the Patriots over the Rams? The Sooners over the Seminoles? I wonder why I picked Notre Dame in every game this season? I wonder why I said David Carr was worthy of a number one selection, when most of the fans thought it was insane? Just a few examples off the top of my head. I don't claim to know everything, because I'm wrong a lot, but I'd put my track record in "judging talent" up there with most in this thread Vincent probably will have a better career than Chris, because he has more talent. Vincent can throw like Chris, but he can also run faster than any quarterback not named Michael Vick. What I was saying is that, like Simms, Young will be perceived as "underachieving" in relation to his overall talent because of the offensive system he plays in.
There's an obvious difference between the two situations. The Holiday Bowl was still within reach and under control. Applewhite was still under control. He also hadn't played in a month, after only playing ONE HALF the entire season, indicating that rust was an obvious factor, that could be overcome. There was no reason to think that the game was not still in hand. The CU game, on the other hand, was becoming a BLOWOUT. The wheels had already come off. The team was getting EMBARRASSED. Simms was mentally frazzled. The type of interceptions were completely different in the two cases as well. You are right about one thing -- it is NOT fair to compare the two games, in the manner in which you have attempted to do.
Let's just say that if Simms were having a good game against CU in the Big 12 game, that his hand "injury" more than likely would never have been brought up.
The biggest lead for CU was 29-10. The biggest lead for Washington was 36-17. Would you care to explain how one is embarrassing and a blowout, and the other isn't? It's the same margin. If the Holiday Bowl was within reach, the CU game was within reach. Also, Major had taken every rep in practice for a month, so I doubt rust was an obvious factor. Oh, and Simms had a "month off" before the Holiday Bowl in 2000 after starting one out of the last seven games, but people don't cut him any slack for that.
The CU game was within reach...especially before that buffoon Mack Brown decided to try to block a punt with 4 minutes left in the game and his team trailing by only 6, and the hottest QB in the country ready to drive his team to victory. Simms is not that great, but his coaches certainly do not do him any favors. DD
Didn't Benson rush for 199 yards Saturday? I don't see how the two things are mutually exclusive. EVERY quarterback looks better with a good running game. That doesn't excuse poor performances by the quarterback however. Interceptions, especially, have nothing to do with the running game.
Well I guess we should considering all the times you've said in this thread winning is all that matters.
Actually, Cat, to be fair, the score in the Holiday Bowl was 13-0 after the third Applewhite interception. By the time it was 36-17, we had settled down and were chewing up turf (and settling for field goals) like crazy. I've always wondered what would have happened if Chris had been allowed to finish the Big 12 title game. It didn't seem like it could possibly get any worse for him at that point. I wonder what would have happened if we'd had strong leadership that had taken him aside, said "Chris, you're our guy. We need you to lead us back" or whatever (instead of gulping and saying "errrrrrr Major, go in for Chris!"), and then stuck him back out there. Maybe it wouldn't have been as good. Who knows-- sometimes players respond to a change, play harder, start to feel embarassed that they're getting whipped. He'd already thrown three picks and lost a fumble. Hell, just by odds of it, you'd have to think he wouldn't have turned the ball over again.
