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Sony: 100K PS3s Selling Out Every Week in US; Wii is Just an "Impulse Purchase"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by RC Cola, Jan 31, 2007.

  1. Coach AI

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    That analogy doesn't really work.

    If you really think that DS (or all handheld games in general) are just 'simple, get tired of real quick' games with no substance then this is where we disagree.

    In addition, the DS and PSP are capable of playing games up to tech equal with the N64/PS1 era...hardly games of no 'substance'.

    As for the Wii as a novelty... again, this is a point that's brought up by people yet doesn't have much substance. Zelda already disproves the theory that the system isn't capable of 'epic' games.

    Not too mention we are talking about launch lineups here. If you're going to judge a system by launch lineups, the PS3 and Wii are both in big trouble, and the 360 never should have sold in the first place.

    If your requirements are must-have games with depth, then both systems are 'novelties' and the 360 was as well back at launch.
     
  2. Coach AI

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    This is kinda what I mean. A 'diehard' gamer, to me, is more likely to have all (or at least more than one) system and isn't afraid of trying a wide range of games.

    And really, by this point, a 'diehard' gamer should have at least already had a 360.
     
  3. AntiSonic

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    If Wii equals Genesis, then they better be damn careful. The SNES roared back near the end of that generation when the software finally started pushing both consoles to their limits.

    I think the most understated factor in PS2 dominance was the inclusion of DVD compatibility straight out of the box. If Blu Ray catches on then watch out.
     
  4. MR. MEOWGI

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    I am no gamer, but I can tell that the Wii's impact is beyond gaming. The use of the Wii remote system along with the tv etc is part of the evolution of internet/computer interaction and functionality, especially in the home. The possibilities are incredible. Gaming is just a part of it. I think right now is only the tip of the iceberg.
     
  5. CriscoKidd

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    yeah, kinda like the eyetoy.
     
  6. RC Cola

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    Yeah, that's probably the right meaning, although it wasn't exactly what I was thinking (nor probably what Ziggy was thinking).

    I was thinking more along the lines of hardcore fans of a particular game and/or genre. Like the #1 fan of Tekken or something. If someone is a big fan of sports games that are very realistic, they might prefer the offerings on the 360/PS3 over the Wii (although that might depend on how EA, 2K, and others treat the system). A fan of racing games would probably prefer the 360/PS3 thanks to Forza/PGR/GT and their realism (doesn't help that there aren't really any other major racing simulators out there). Fans of PC franchises like TES, Doom, Quake, BioShock, Unreal, etc., might also find more to their liking on the 360/PS3 than the Wii.

    Just a few examples that hopefully show what I (and maybe Ziggy?) am talking about.

    IMO, most of those people will get a Wii anyway since it offers something the other two systems don't.

    I'm assuming the control scheme that Nintendo uses will end up being standard in future consoles (sort of half standard in the PS3 already). Don't know if that necessarily means great success for Nintendo directly (see analog stick, rumble, and other innovations by Nintendo that became standard).
     
  7. wizkid83

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    Because graphics != fun.

    Super Mario 3 on NES >> 90% of the game out there right now. I'm not saying there aren't good games out there, I give major kudos to GTA series, Gods of War, Metal Gear Solid, Halo, and etc. But so many game out ther becomes unplayable after the first 3 hours.
     
  8. rrj_gamz

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    The Wii remote isn't revolutionary...There was a game on the Dreamcast that used maracas (yes, maracas) that had the same concept...Monkey something...It was fun and the kids loved it...But got old as there wasn't much substance...Now I'm not saying it won't have staying power, but the games must improve as software is the key to every console...

    I was at the gym and was flipping channels and started watching fast money or something, regarding stocks...They were talking about game console cos. and software companies...They were recommending Nintendo b/c of the Wii, but its already near an alltime high...They also said Wii would win the console war, but I don't see it...Its a lower tier console, so IMHO, you can't compare a PS3 or even a 360 vs. the Wii...Not on the same level...Fun from what I hear, but no comparison...

    They were also recommending Elec. Arts and Activision as well as the chip makers of the consoles...Buy low, sell high...
     
  9. RC Cola

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    Isn't that the case for any system? Pretty sure it is the case with the Wii (already like that now), and it definitely was the case with the NES.

    The maracas are probably a poor example. They can only be used for one game, or one type of game anyway. The Wii remote will be used for all types of games. So it might get old to play Wii Sports with the controller, but then you can use it in Zelda...or something like that. The Eyetoy would be a better example, although there are differences there too.

    You know, IBM is supplying (or helped create) the CPUs in each of the 3 consoles. That's pretty awesome for them.

    ATI (or um...AMD) did the GPUs for the Wii and 360, so they're looking pretty good too. Nvidia only has the PS3, but they might get additional contracts from Sony in the future (PSP2, PS4, small components here and there, etc.).
     
  10. hotballa

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    whatever your disgareement with it is, they're part of the reasojn that the Wii got so popular, due to mainstream positive press.

    I suppose that if tha was the case, we would get reviews slamming it, yet the positive press just keeps rolling in...
     
  11. MR. MEOWGI

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    It is revolutionary because of the scale of use, including mobility. Millions of people are now connected, controlling the internet with the same wireless remote control in a virtual 3D box. This is bigger than gaming. When I see people controlling Roomba vacuuming cleaners with the same wireless remote in a 3d space you know this is something special. Bill Gates said the future of the internet will be voice recognition and hand gesture control etc. This is Wii is taking us. The games will come.
     
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    apparently Sony loses $65 more on the 20GB than the 60GB.

    http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/16/analysis-sony-losing-240-on-every-ps3/

    Whatever the case. I think PS3 will do fine once the games start coming out. I know I'll be picking one up once they do a price cut (down to $399 for the 60GB). Since I have a 360 in addition to my Wii, my HDTV Gaming needs will do fine (especially since all I do is play FPS and sports games anyway). Isn't it sad? I spend all this money for a HD system and HDTV and I buy basically 4 games a year, NBA 2K, 2 annual awesome FPS (last year was Gears of War and GRAW), and MLB 2K
     
  13. RC Cola

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    Yeah, that would explain why Sony would be pushing for the 60GB PS3. Not that anyone should take iSuppli's estimates as the absolute truth, although the difference in prices between the two SKUs might be about right.

    Agreed.

    I'm more concerned about Sony losing long-time PS exclusives like MGS, DMC, Dragon Quest, Tekken, etc., than the $500-$600 price tag. Although I guess the two are related to a degree...
     
  14. Coach AI

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    Ah, it sounded more like 'diehard' in the 'serious, hardcore' gamer sense. Yeah, I can agree that if you like, say, a certain genre then that may make a difference (although, even then, what genre does the PS3 cover right now that the 360 doesn't/won't?).

    But the idea that hardcore gamers would be most attracted to the PS3 is way off base, IMO.
     
  15. Coach AI

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    As RC and MEOWGI pointed out, that's not really a very good comparison.

    I'm not really sure that the business types, stocks and dollars, would really care much about that sort of criteria, though.

    If they are thinking mostly in terms of userbase and pure dollars, their predictions are just as likely as anything else right now.
     
  16. RC Cola

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    I wasn't really trying differentiate the differences (or lack their of) between the PS3 and 360 as much as I was both of those systems and the Wii. It is basically why I say a lot of people will probably get a Wii and a PS3/360. Or maybe that was just a point you wanted to bring up?

    I could probably come up with some genres that the PS3 covers or might cover that the 360 doesn't (or that it could do better in), but there would be little point in doing so at this point in time. Too many unreleased games that are strongly rumored to hit the 360 IMO (MGS, DMC, Tekken, etc.).
     
  17. Coach AI

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    Agreed. That's why I was saying 'right now'.
     
  18. JeffB

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    My wife uses the Wii news channel and weather channel each morning. She uses the Wii more for these two channels than for any gaming. Even still, she does play Wii Sports which is the first game I've seen her consistently play. She doesn't like investing huge chunks of time into a video game. The pick up and play, have fun and be done in 30 minutes aspect of most Wii games appeals to her. She doesn't fiddle with Zelda, but she likes Wii Sports and Trauma Center. To my surprise, she's even been asking me when Wii Play is coming out. Last week she asked me if I remembered to pre-order it!
     
  19. Chicken Boy

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    Games on handhelds have always generally been either play on the go type things, or stripped down ports of established home console franchises. Regardless of capability.

    I was about to sh_t my ass I was so excited to play the new Zelda. Put it into the shiny new Wii...crappy graphics, horrible camera...whatever, it's Zelda, its bound to get better right? Well kinda...not really. Everything I've seen or played up to this point has kinda been underwhelming, and had this sense of been-there-done-that. Just my opinion. When I think epic, I think Final Fantasy or Halo.

    Completely agree with you about the launch line-ups. :)
     
  20. Chicken Boy

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    You're reaching. Why does it matter that we can surf the web with a wireless controller? Plus, there's been gyroscopic pointer devices, very similar to the Wiimote, out for awhile now. I remember I saw one at this dude's crib years ago.

    Wow...wireless cleaning. Simply brain-melting.
     

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