Something you would never see if JVG was still here...

HA! still playing this tired ass argument huh? you are assuming that the pinppong balls would have worked out the exact same way. Plus, Whos to say that if the rockets got the earlier pick (still and IF) that portland wouldnt have traded up to a team ahead of them? funny how you only use those "what IFs" when they are in your favor.

It is also funny that you knock them for playing howard and wesley. yes they were regulars, but that still doesnt mean they were good.

please save yourself and stop this stupid argument. Again, if thats how you feel, you might as well bash RA to talk everygame this year and get a top pick because they clearly arent goingto win the championship this year.

stop being a hypocrit. your post from that game said, "how'd they win playing with that garbage!" (or along those lines). please, this is just getting sad.

never heard that before. Of course you fail to realize (or acknowledge) that the rockets were injured. Wesley and sura deteriorated as the series went along. And once again, you make the falacy i meantioned earlier. those 1st 2 games were the rockets OVERachieving.

also by your reasoning they should have traded yao and tmac because they blew that series too. no matter how much you say these trite and flawed arguments, they just arent good. we know what your opinion is, but stop pretending its based on objective reality.

 

I judge things by results, not by excuses. Underperforming in playoffs in four years isn't the same as underforming in three months.

 

I said in many many posts BEFORE that game they should be tanking and losing every single game, there is even a poll about that very topic.

This is a different year, they are building a team capable of winning the championship, are they there yet, probably not but they are closer this year than at any point in the last 4.

It was a rhetorical question, man, I love how people can read so much into one small comment and be completely wrong, you and Sam are the KINGS of that inability.

Uh...wtf ever.....they won the games, they should close out the series, JVG got out coached.....in both the Utah and Dallas series.

It is clearly a biased opinion of a die hard Rockets fan, one who wants the team to contend for a championship and win with TEAM play. I think JVG jumped the shark when the rules changed......his way is dead.

Long live the Rockets and team ball !!!!

DD

 

So when the good things happen, it's always "JVG took them to ..." blah blah blah, and when bad things happen, it's always "JVG is a victim of ...(insert players, injuries, management, luck ....."

It never gets old with the JVG army.

Luck is part of the game.

 

Huh? I figured you would realize that getting a higher draft pick was more important than winning a meaningless game at the end of the season.

At least play an all rookie team....sheesh.

Sometimes tanking is the right thing to do to help the franchise get better....at the end of that particular year they were not playing for THAT year but the NEXT year.....big mistake on JVG's part.

And management should have been all over forcing him to tank the game.....bad move by everyone in the organization.

The roster is deeper but that doesn't mean the team is better, chemistry, defined roles, all change under a new coach, it takes a while to find out what and who the team is...

Some people are giving up on a guy after 3 months, a guy who has had MAJOR success as a head coach in the NBA.....and are pining for a guy who just got fired for failing to win in the playoffs after having home court twice.

You are right Max, I don't get it, I like the direction the team is going and realize the season is 82 games long not 45......

Let's table this argument for the end of the year.

DD

 

Here goes Brandon Roy. No problem, we have JVG.

Here goes Rudy Gay. No problem, we have JVG.

Here goes four years. No problem, we have JVG.

Here goes JVG, oh my God, sky is falling.

 

Now that is funny.....sad but true.

 

That's a big difference, dude.

That would put us ahead of San Antonio right now and tied with the Lakers for the #5 seed. It would also give us a better record than Utah.

 

But we played a tougher first half this year, watch the record get better and better as we play more of the season.

15-17 to 25-20 is good improvement....and a couple of those losses should have been Rocket wins too...


Last season the Rockets pummeled the weak sisters of the East and got owned by the better teams in the Western Conference.

Against San Antonio, Phoenix, Utah, and Dallas the Rockets regular season record was a disman 5-11.

This year, even while earning a new system, they are 4-6.......

The team is getting better, and is just now finding itself.

I wish all the JVG apologists would give up the ghost and get behind this team because they are getting it.

DD

 

Yeah, what DD said. Get over it. The little bald gnome has gone fishing!

 

As far as I am concerned, I have no problem with the JVG firing. I said all along that if we didn't get out of round one, he should go.

I completely understand if you dislike Jeff for his pessimistic outlook, slow down offense, stubborness with rotational adjustments, playoff failures and bald head. That's fine. He is definitely a polarizing coach and those are good reasons to get frustrated and dislike him.

What I do have a problem with is when people make up lies about him. Things like not playing any rookies, only playing Luther and Chuck b/c of injuries, not tanking a game that would have somehow netted us a draft pick that was slated in mock drafts to go #4 (a spot that required us to lose 13 more games than we did...everyone had Portland drafting Roy, not Tyrus Thomas), saying his team had just as much talent as this team, he made all of the trades, not CD or Morey, etc...

The guy didn't advance us and was fired. Fine by me. I liked him as a coach but am over it.

I just get pissed off when people blatantly make up things that can be disproven with stats and facts when it comes to the JVG era. It gets old.

 

So then where are all the extra losses coming from?

 

But those are the facts, winning that game cost the Rockets Brandon Roy...no matter what Mock drafts say....

At the time, I didn't really know about Brandon Roy, but I wanted the highest possible draft pick possible........

So, that is the issue, not necessarily about Roy but about not losing to get better for the next year when the current one was lost.

Some of those things are never proven or disproven conclusively, there are always 2 or more ways to look at something.

Like the guy saying that a JVG team would never give up 100+ points to the Warriors....he gets WAY to much credit.....they gave up more than 100 points each game last year to the Warriors.

Meh, at least you realize he was fired for good cause....

What I don't get is why people still pine for the good old days when they werent so good at all...

DD

 

Very well said.

The standard applied against JVG is not the same applied to Adelman. It's hypocritical.

I was intrigued by Adelman coaching the Rockets. But I can admit when something is going wrong.

 

Agreed......

But I do think the standard applied will ultimatly be the same with JVG and Adelman.

If he fails, he will deserve to get fired too.

My point is give the guy time to coach em up, his way.

DD

 

DD-

We still would have been in a three way tie...so we would have had a 33% chance of getting that pick.

I did disprove the Luther/Chuck playing time points. Also there is no question that this team is more talented than last years team...last night is a PERFECT example of how our roster is better. Would we have won that game with Juwan playing PF with Hayes and Luther playing backup PG? No way.

regardless, I am not pining for the old days of JVG. I want us to win and to keep playing better team basketball. If we do that under RA, fantastic. I just pipe in when you, or other posters, twist and distort facts to help support your dislike of JVG.

Like I said, dislike the guy and his system/personality/playoff failure...fine by me. Totally understand. However, when people distort the facts to help justify why they feel that way, I feel the need to correct them.

Anyway, great win last night. The first 7 minutes of the game gave me chills...I can't remember seeing us play like that in over a decade

 

Agreed....still would like to be IN the tie break.........rather than outside looking in...

You did in fact prove that Luther played regardless as a rookie, Chuck did get his shot due to injuries though after JVG cut him, and admitted he probably should have kept him.....

And like you Blake, I get tired of people distorting the JVG regime like it was some great time in Rockets lore, they utterly failed, and were miserable to watch...

I just want the Rockets to win.....it is threads like this one....."It would never happen under JVG" that get under my skin....because...quite frankly it did.

Peace.

DD

 

I am giving him time, and I have hope, but I am going to criticize him along the way. That is part of being a fan. For example, I dont think Yao gets the ball in the post enough, and our defense is not as prepared as it was lst year. We still have no identity, and we have a merry-go-round of player rotations.

Also, there was a lot of good going on in the JVG era. You were too upset about JVG not playing Boki and VSpan, but there was a lot of great stuff going on.

Honestly, read Yao's comments, he sincerely seems to miss old baldy.

 

Dude, I would never EVER ask someone to stop criticizing.....I concur it is indeed what being a fan is all about. It just bugs me when people come in and say...Adelman sucks because JVG would never do this....I mean 4 years of data versus 3 months...give the guy a chance already....sheesh. ( Not necessarily you Mr. Clutch).

I did want him to play some of the younger players that play a style of ball that I like to watch....back cuts, picks, rolls, slashing, passing.....and I, like you, criticized him for not playing them......

I don't think he misses him so much as misses his attention to detail, but watch carefully, to me it looks like Rick Adelman is forcing Yao to step up and lead the team, and THAT will make the TEAM more successful in the long run....better to have a team leader than one from the bench...IMHO.

DD

 

Fair enough. I am still hoping Adelman figures it out and we can see his vaunted offense like the one he had with the Kings.