Something you would never see if JVG was still here...

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because he made up his mind and is forced to go down with his ship

but you are right. the most reasonable, and honeslty the smartest, thing to do was to keep the COY nominee coach!!! and focus on adding talent. Rather than trying to put together this hodge podge of coaches and players.

unfortunately he is.

The problem was jvg played our powerhouses like bogans, rybo and hayes.

 

yup. and this years team has more talent

 

Thats probably why the Rockets let him go play overseas. And there is a difference when you have the greatest shot blocker in NBA history roaming the paint.

 

Most of your post is opinion, so I won't debate that part.

I do have a problem with the statement that I quoted. First of all, please tell me how you knew that Brandon Roy would be available with that pick? Almost every mock draft at the time had Roy projected to go #4 because it was Portland's biggest need at the time. The lost 61 games, we lost 48.

As far as not tanking the Denver game, here was the powerhouse lineup for that game: BOX SCORE

Alston
Bogans
Juwan
Deke
Wesley

Luther, Brunson, Hayes and RyBo also played in that game. Yeah, what a great group of offensive players

 

Also, as far as that Denver game, I just read the game thread and here is a post from Clutch

Tough to lose a game when the other team is trying to lose it as well (though i don't know that we tried to lose it). The post shows that Denver was trying to lose

EDIT: and one of your own

 

Haven't we been trying to teach Rafer to improve his shooting for a couple of years now? And the result of this experiment has been?

Oh and his D still sucks as well, even after several years studying under the best professors of D, JVG and Tom Thib. How many times does Rafer get called for pulling on the jersy of the guard blowing past him to the rim?

He can dribble and even pass some times. He was going to the hoop really well for a while but even that has fallen off. He draws very little contact in the lane and certainly does not seem to create contact - seems scared of it.

The moral of the story is - draft better. Morey needs two more good drafts.

JVG was well on his way to leaving the team in future years just as much if not even more - depleted personnel wise than when he showed up. Thabo Sefalosha anyone?

 

4th quarter:

Rox: Rafer, Wesley, Stro, Hayes, Howard, Mutumbo, Bogans, Head
Nugs: Eisley, Dermarr Johnson, K-Mart, Reggie Evans, Camby, Ruben Patterson

Stro scored all 4 of his points in the 4th. Nugs went 3-8 from the line in the 4th. Missed 15 FTs for the game. Bastards.

 

i guess JVG should have only played 4 players then. stupid jvg!

 

I know how dare JVG play his 5 players, when it's obvious that if he'd have put 4 or even 3 players on the floor they would have lost for sure

 

no, it doesn't. how is this team more talented that last season? two major signings are collecting DNPs while two rookies who weren't meant to play this year are and scola hasn't been better than jho.

it's essentially the same team with less experience.

 

Scola/Landry are much better than Juwan

Brooks is better than JL3 or Luther at the backup 2

Bonzi was fat and quit last year and is thin and playing for a contract this season

Huge difference

 

juwan helped power the rockets to a 52 win season.

luther was the 4th best 3P shooter last season.

bonzi is an asset and a liability when he plays.

even if there was a improvement on the bench it's marginal.

anyway if there are glaring weaknesses in a couple of the starting positions no bench is going to fix that.

 

If you think that last year vs. this year is the same in terms of talent, I want some of what you are smoking.

Juwan couldn't rebound or play defense nor did he hustle. He was good for hitting wide open jumpshots and that's it. Scola can create his own shot, can sometimes hit jumpers, can defend, hustles back on fast breaks and plays with effort AND is still improving

Luther had to play backup PG and was always torched on the defensive end due to lack of quickness. He is and was also a bad decision maker with the ball and was forced to do that a lot last season. Now we have Aaron Brooks, a guy who can create for his teammates, makes good decisions with the ball and is a pure point guard.

Landry is like having a Chuck Hayes with an offensive game and is constantly improving.

Bonzi is at least ON THE TEAM now and is still an upgrade over having Kirk Snyder playing. We are better with him off the bench than without him on the team at all...and he plays harder this season when he does play (yes, he is inconsistent)

Through the draft and free agency/trades, we are a much deeper team in terms of players with offensive games.

Also, we have MJ and Stevie sitting on the bench for depth if we need it. If those guys were buried last season, even if they played the same as they did this year, I bet most of you would be starting threads about how dumb JVG is daily

 

Not fired for that game, but you could see that he was not in it for the good of the franchise.

The team was in full tank mode, going nowhere fast, and he played Juwan, Wesley and the regulars to win a meaningless late season game against Denver...and it cost us Brandon Roy.

He could ...or rather SHOULD have been playing players 8-12.....all game long.

At some point you have to do what is right for the FRANCHISE and not your coaching record.

JVG made the wrong call, that night and many many more nights.

The guy GOT FIRED...for FAILING in the playoffs, even he said that he understood why he was canned.

He FAILED to get out of the first round of the playoffs, even being up 2-0 twice and having homecourt.....in both series.....and yes, I realize Dallas had home court but winning the first 2 on their court transfers home court to the Rockets.

Sorry, but I am friggen dancing on his grave....and can't believe that so many people are swinging from his brown and curlies....he is gone....

You don't see me pining over V-Span.....move on people.....or go root for whomever he coaches next.....

SHEESH !

DD

 

I love how the JVG apologists consistently throw out the MORE talent quote like it is gospel.

Let's look at the new TALENT this year.

Mike James - Sucks this year
Steve Francis - Sucks this year
Luis Scola - Rookie - got to learn
Aaron Brooks - Rookie - late first round pick got to get experience
Carl Landry - Rookie - 2nd round pick needs experience

So, they have 5 new players...3 of which are rookies and the other 2 suck......

Yeah...SOOOO much more talent.

DD

 

The Rockets should have been trying as well, that is ENTIRELY the point.

JVG played his regulars against their scrubs and it cost the Rockets Brandon Roy....

Sometimes tanking is the RIGHT thing to do.....Hakeem cough cough...Ralph cough cough......Tim Duncan cough cough.

DD

 

He didn't have to play defense with Dream in the middle.

Tanking sucks. It is so p***y it makes me sick. That is something a Mavs fan would want.

Our record would be much better with JVG RIGHT NOW. I don't think anyone could possibly argue otherwise.

 

This thread is about JVG/Adelman. The reason he is being discussed might have something to do with his name being on the title of the thread.

Also, if you really believe that we are not an improved team talent wise then you are foolish...you are just saying that b/c it helps argue your points.

Also, I still am waiting for your explanation of how you knew that the Denver loss was going to cause us to lose a player that everyone (experts) predicted as the 4th player taken.

EDIT: and, since you knew that Roy was going to fall to the 6th pick, I'm sure that you knew that we still would have to beat out Minny and Boston for the tiebreaker as well.


Damn that JVG

 

Has anyone mentioned that if JVG returned this year Bonzi was leaving and we would have had a roster spot for Harris?

 

They have been trying to teach him defense but his physical limitations may be too much to overcome (lack of foot speed). He's a limited one dimensional player - a spot up shooter who cannot make his own offense. Other teams also look at video and they know exactly how to exploit him. As such, he hurts them more than he can help them. What this team needs most right now is for one of its so-called superstars to start acting like one and playing up to his salary.