Something you would never see if JVG was still here...

That's what the first post should have said: You would never see the jazz get 13 straight field goals in the 4th quarter with JVG

 

DD- you are simply the anti-jvg

It's about the rockets...

First they did not have any 33% turnover in the starting lineup and the rotation still included head, they only upgraded a weak bench by adding Scola Brooks and Landry

They do not have a total change in philosophy and if it is then that is on the coaching.. it's about winning not philosophy- you still have to score and play defense.

They are not playing better than last season, they do have a better bench.
I don't see anything better about TMac, Yao, Battier, Rafer and Hayes except that Rafer picked up some good games when TMac was out.

The team defense needs work, but I give them credit for stepping up when TMac was out.

 

So we are rebuilding

 

I disagree that JVG would not be playing the rookies. He absolutely would be playing Brooks, Scola, and Landry because they can handle it.

One thing very similar about JVG and Adleman is the guys they give minutes to. For example:
Sarting lineup- exactly the same
Luther Head- gets significant time despite his flaws
Francis and Mike James- traded or otherwise expunged
Bonzi Wells- eventually falls out of favor
Rafer- 30+ minutes per game.

I think they are both good talent evaluators, it just takes Adelman longer to figure it out. He has wasted a lot of time trying to play guys like Francis and Wells.

JVG on the other hand would still bring tremendous defense and a Yao-centric offense (none of this high post nonsense).

I am still waiting to see the dividends from Adelman's offense.

 

Definitely agree. I don't think JVG would ever have played Novak. Rick kept him in too long, but at least he tried different combinations to get us out of the offensive slump...though keeping that lineup hurt us at the end.

 

DD- the team was gutted???

Steve and Cuttino have done nothing since the trade.
That still is the best trade this team has made since getting Clyde.

I also applaud what management has done over this offseason to strengthen the bench. The only reason our record is not as good as we expected is because we fired Van Gundy.

There is no other excuse.

The roster is better- the coach is different.

If they win 52 games, of course I will apologize for that last remark.

As far as the playoffs? Unless they win a championship or at least get to the finals I will find the coaching change a big step backwards.

Unless of course we are in rebuilding mode.

(I don't dislike Adelman, I want to give him a chance to rebuild the team to his liking- I just don't like the timing of the change because it will take a while for us to get the roster where Adelman has the best chance to succeed- he needs another really good shooter and a very good PG)

 

JVG started Novak one game last year, and it was a disaster, just like this time. Adelman is not playing Novak much more than JVG did, if at all.

 

Does it matter? Do you truly believe the Rockets could pull off a win vs Jazz without Yao? I dont think so. The Jazz were basically fooling around in 1st 3 qtrs to leave more gas for their b2b game on Monday nite against the Spurs.

On the bright side, Novak played the whole 4th qtr that may help him going forward. A coach can only find out what a player gets by playing him in games.

 

The Rockets record without Yao last year was pretty good.

Wrong, you can find out in practice. Losing games to find out a player sucks is not smart coaching.

 

I realize that. I'm just saying that RA, despite his numerous flaws (IMO), at least is a lot less stubborn with his rotation and changing matchups than JVG. It's true.

Putting Novak in that game was a fatastic idea. Keeping him in the game was a horrible idea.

And I liked JVG

 

just now figuring that out?

we all are. sadly the whole "adelmans" offense will be better is a myth. This team has much more scoring potential and hasnt done much different. clearly there were bigger issues than simply offensive coaching philosophies

funny how your assumptions, and hence your arguments, are always way overstated and flat out unprovable in ANY way.

novak cost the rockets the game just as much as he got them in it. look we all love the tall white boy who can only shoot, but lets not overstate things.

p.s. jvg had the stones to start novak as a rookie.

 

less stubborn or more desperate?

 

Less stubborn. Look, DM, I'm on your side in the majority of your JVG arguments with DD (remember my Luther Head game stats, Hayes stats etc.. about not playing rookies), but you have to admit that RA is a lot less militant with his rotation than JVG. It used to drive me crazy.

 

I agree JVG is much less likely to experiment.

But if we had Brooks, Scola, and Landry, I think it would be a different story.

JVG will experiment only with guys who are truly competent. Adelman plays more small-ball and unique lineups, but they both play guys who can get it done.

 

but what I am saying is that JVG won more often than not with his rotations and when you look at the second half of seasons, the rockets record were among the best in the league (and those were when his rotations were more or less set). ALso, jvg didnt have near as many players to "adjust" with.

RA has been less militant, but when you go from 6-1 and then go 6-13 then things are going to change and change quick. Especially when a coach is new to a team and the wheels were completely falling off as they were during that stretch.

I'd suspect that when/if the rockets get on a roll the rotation will get much more set.

 

But those militant rotations were logical when you got right down to it. It took me forever to understand why JVG did what he did, but eventually every move he made seemed absolutely like a logical decision.

The only thing I questioned was not putting Deke in for more minutes in the playoffs. He had been rotational most of the season (a big part of our wins in the middle when yao was hurt) and then in the playoffs he was nowhere to be found.

I agree with the person that said JVG was absolutely about putting the team on the court that he believed gave the Rockets the best chance of winning. Regardless of how many years they had under their belt. I think Scola would have definitely seen time and since I don't see huge numbers of turnovers from Aaron I think he would have seen time as well. Landry I don't know about, that would have depended on Deke and what changes we would have made in the off season. Without Bonzi taking the player option, cause I can't believe he would have stuck around if JVG had stayed (and maybe not have signed Steve) we would have had more flexibility with the roster moves.

 

Well, this team is called the JAZZ. Guess what, they went to WC Final last season. And guess what, they played totally different on Monday nite.

Really!? Jerry Sloan played Dee Brown last season against the Knicks for ~10 mins with heavy mins in 4th quarter and refused to take him out the game even when Dee Brown laid an egg. People critised him for playing Dee Brown and lost the game by 1 point. That's Jerry Sloan's exact answer: "I gotta find out what I get." That's why they are coaches and you are fans because you have no clues.

Why Novak was in the game? Just tell me why.

 

Last year, we won 52 games, so JVG was right to stay consistent with the rotation. I'm not sure what to make of the year before that, which was all about scrambling to plug holes in the rotation caused by injuries. I'm curious what makes you think JVG wouldn't be trying some experimentation if he was coaching this year and the team was stinking it up like this. Of course, I'm also curious if the team would be doing so poorly if JVG were still the coach, but that's for another thread.

 

I guarantee you Dee Brown was playing well in practice. Sloan probably wanted to see him respond in a pressure situation. You find out about a player first through PRACTICE. But fans like you dont trust the coach and want to see them play for yourself, quite a silly attitude.

Why was Novak in the game? For his shooting.

Another example- Morey himself said "Landry is tearing it up in practice" and that is why he has gotten more minutes. Adelman didnt just throw him out there not knowing what to expect.

 

good points. From what I remember last year, early in the season, rockets did fluctuate their bench play. Padgett, vspan, kirk, novak and lucas all got playing some playign time. It seemed to be that around late december/early january is when the rotations got more set in stone.