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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rockHEAD, May 5, 2003.

  1. Woofer

    Woofer Member

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    Isn't Bush the first president who's wife *really* killed someone? She killed her first boyfriend in an auto *accident*.
     
  2. RocketMan Tex

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    Exactly what are you talking about?

    Are you saying that this statement:

    "George W. Bush is the only President in history to have entered office with a criminal record, thanks to his DUI conviction."

    ...is a "half-truth"?

    If so, please explain!
     
  3. MadMax

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    -First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union
    simultaneously go bankrupt.

    Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

    bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

    Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

    -In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war. (where was the author in the 1960's??)

    -Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history. (wow...this is neat to say. can you define it? cause i'm thinking FDR wins this prize)

    -Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down. (if you're dumb enough to believe this is possible...then i suppose it's "truth" to you)



    are the above statements true???
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    The dept of justice or of partisianship
     
  5. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    In case anyone forgot, this prisoner was Timothy McVeigh. Murderer of 168 innocent people.
     
  6. giddyup

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    I think that comparison will have lingering reminders that you never intended! :D
     
  7. MadMax

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    another halftruth...present some fact like this in a way to make people think less of him...not revealing that the murderer executed was freaking Tim McVeigh. this article is full of that stuff.
     
  8. MadMax

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    what do you mean?? if it were the dept of partisanship, wouldn't it be used to prosecute bill clinton upon exit of office?
     
  9. robbie380

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    I think under the accomplishments they should also blame Bush for presiding over the fattest state in the world. It is his fault for creating such a destructive environment where people try to eat away their sorrows with a nice piece of cake or pie or a whole cake and pie.
     
  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Yeah, I know
     
  11. ima_drummer2k

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    If you don't have any real ideas of your own, just slam the people who do. Typical Democrat strategy. :rolleyes:

    Obviously some people are still SEEEETHING mad at the results of the last mid-term elections....
     
  12. rockHEAD

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    ok... woah.. wait just one cotton picking minute here buddy... not once in this post, did i say ANYTHING was a 'truth'.... you just back that crap up one minute, quit putting words in my posts... I put this out there for you guys to pick apart, i didn't go off spouting "everything in here is true" now did i?? did i??
     
  13. codell

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    Wasn't MacVeigh technically prosecuted and sentenced to death while Clinton was President? Is Bush suppose to get a black eye for actually letting the justice system serve its course?

    PS - Im not critisizing MacVeigh's sentence, because I agreed he should have been executed.
     
  14. MadMax

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    well i certainly didn't mean to put words in your mouth...my post was in response to you defending the veracity of one of the claims...so i assumed...and you know what they say about assuming! :) in retrospect, i should not have assigned any name to my comment at all.
     
  15. mrpaige

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    Two quick things. 1. He didn't buy the Rangers in a deal that took land using taxpayer money. He bought the team using his connections - most of which came from being the son of his father. While part-owner, the Ballpark deal was put together, which did take land using taxpayer money and that did increase his value in the team significantly.

    But it was just worded poorly.

    2. I don't think the current economic situation in Texas can be placed at the feet of the Governor, especially since the Governor is relatively weak. If taxes were cut while Bush was President, it was because Dems, who controlled the Legislature and even the Lt. Governor's office for Bush's first term went along with it.

    I don't actually recall taxes being cut, though, at the state level during Bush's term as Governor (that doesn't mean it didn't happen, though).

    I would also venture to bet that some other President had a "criminal record" of some sort when entering office prior to GWB. Certainly that term is entirely too vague (and actually, George Washington had a criminal record, depending on how you look at it).

    I would also note that it wasn't the Governor who set the executions record. It was the prosecutors and courts who convicted those people, a large number of which were sentenced to death during times when Democrats controlled the highest office in the state. Technically, the Governor of Texas doesn't have the power to stop executions - not that GWB would have if he did have the power.

    And I'm pro-not having press conferences. Nothing peeves me more than having my shows interrupted to hear some junk from the President. :)

    I'm also pretty sure this: "First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation" isn't true. Or was that whole World War II thing vis-a-vis Japan not an attack? Say what you will about the justification, but I don't think the statement holds.

    I never heard about the UN elections inspectors? Has any other President been asked to allow such inspectors to come in?

    And this: "First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)" is just stupid. I guarantee that no matter who was President during the attacks, they would've been shuttled to a secure location, likely at a military base of some sort. That's what happens when the nation is under attack.

    "Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months has no leads and zero suspects." - This is probably a matter for the FBI and the police. I don't know that I want the President to be taking his time being concerned with the ongoing investigation. You know, LBJ never caught the Zodiac Killer, either.

    "In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war. " - This is open to interpretation.

    "Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down." This is patently not true unless you want to pretend that things that were happening in 2000 weren't happening in 2000. Granted, it hasn't gotten that much better, but it also didn't start in mid-January, 2001, either.

    "First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community. " - Technically not true. Uni means one. Disagree with the policy all you want, but there was at least one other country involved, making it no longer unilaterally.

    "First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union
    simultaneously go bankrupt." - Pretty amazing, especially since, as far as I know, not a single state has defaulted on any debt nor sought what would be considered "bankruptcy" for a governmental entity.

    "Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history." - Executive orders don't amend the Constitution. They are simply a tool available to Presidents.

    "First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner." - For a case that was won by the previous administration who went for and got the death penalty.

    "Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury" - Technically that's not true, either. The surplus was largely based on assumptions of collections based on economic factors that did not come to pass. Even had Bush and the Congress not increased spending nor lowered taxes, the surplus would have, at the very least, been significantly lowered just based on economic activity.

    I don't much care for the guy, either. I think he's a fairly weak president and something of an empty suit who lacks the ability to inspire the nation the way the most successful Presidents have. But I don't think lists like this make a legitimate case against the man, at least not a very large one since so much is either open to interpretation, biased to appear as things are different than they are, or just plain wrong.
     
  16. Rockets2K

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    I'm not touching any of the others, but I am curious about this one.
    I know for a fact that the state has screwed the state schools out of a large amount of money...the school district I intern at is facing over 10 million in budget cuts because someone in Austin really screwed the pooch.

    The question I have for you learned followers of politics.

    Who's fault is it that the education budget is in such bad shape?

    Because it is affecting me personally, and I want to know who to vote against next time. The district cant even replace techs they are losing, and have already told me they would gladly pay me if their budget woes weren't so bad.:(

    over 10 million over this year and next....way to support our educational system guys..:rolleyes:
     
  17. walls

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    Even though some of that isn't Bush's fault, accountability is a given.. That's your fate when your partyheads steal an election for you.. you're going to take heat for things you're not responsible for when you're president, it's the way of the world, the president has less authority than he has responsibility..


    Overall that is pretty much a good (though slanted, of course, but bias is the norm in politics) indictment of Bush's record.

    There's some interesting anti-Bush literature out there as well, if you want a broader picture I'd suggest picking some up.
     
  18. Heretic

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    The list is worded poorly, but quite a few of the points are true.


    Just go to barnes and noble and check out the current events section
     
  19. MadMax

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    first of all...the state isn't bankrupt...there have been municipalities and states that have gone flat ass broke...st. louis went broke...literally started turning over public buildings to creditors. that ain't happening here.

    second...if you're talking blame for the budget...look to the Texas legislature. the position of governor is relatively weak in Texas when compared to other states.

    walls -- stole an election, huh? amazing. still trotting that out? maybe if you keep saying it you can make it be true! good luck!
     
  20. MacBeth

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    Statement:I don't like Chuck...I really don't like him. He beats up people at school, kills animals, flunked out twice, swears at his parents, wears white socks with black shoes, carries a knife at all times, went to juvie for stealing, makes racist declarations in school, has gotten 4 girls pregnant and then skipped off, blares his music all night upsetting the neighbours, sells drugs to children, and I once saw him shoot out the windows of an old lady up the street.

    Response: Those shoes aren't black! OMG, are you serious? They're brown...maybe dark brown at best...get your eyes checked, hello? This is typical...blast a guy for his 'black' shoes, just because you incorrectly think they're black...and who are you to say that he shouldn't wear black shoes with white socks anyway? What's next, you're gonna be saying he can't wear briefs?

    Oh, and another thing, genius, one of the girls he 'got pregnant' just happened to have gotten pregnant 3 times before, with 3 other guys...but I suppose those were Chuck's fault too, right...:rolleyes:
     

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