If you can get Elton without giving up Mobley, then you do it. There'd be a good chance that he signs with us long term. Most of his advisors are very familair with our players. We have a good shot at keeping him. Solves all our problems with one pull of the trigger. Don't see it happenning tho' unless the clippers are really desperate.
I'd love to bring in Brand, but is he worth giving up EG and probably Cat if we only have Brand for half the season. Will be in the postion to give Elton the max in the offseason, and give Posey an extension? And I really can't find a trade that I think the Clippers would make Mobes and EG for Brand and Q(or Magette) works, but I can't see the Clippers making either of those deals unless we throw in some picks. But damn, imagine our line up then: PG- Steve/Moochie SG- Q/Hawkins SF- Posey/Rice/TMo PF-Brand/MoT C-Yao/Cato/Collier Sounds pretty damn good to me if we can bring back Brand and Posey in the offseason.
Brand is still on the rookie pay scale. EG straight up would be perfect as far as I know. I haven't tried real GM or anything because posts with those trade accepted thing in it piss me off. There are a lot of options because both teams have plenty of mid-level and rookie contracts on them.
Isn't David Falk the agent for Brand?? We're in good with Falk after taking on Rice's and Taylor's MAMMOTH con-tracts.
crash, I like your trade idea, although it leaves us extremely thin at C with Rooks and Collier behind Yao. But with Rooks and Piatkowski's contracts coming off the books it makes the deal VERY attractive, for the Rockets at least. After resigning Brand and Posey in the offseason, finding a solid, defensive-minded and rebounding back-up C, would be a priority.
don grahamleone, Brand and EG have very different contracts. You have to rememeber that Brand was taken #1 overall, and is in the final year of his contract, while EG was picked #7, and is in only his second year of the contract. According to realgm, Brand's salary takes up almost 18 percent of the cap, while Eddie's only occupies about 8 percent.
I think Brand will be gone by the start of next season, he is fustrated with the Clippers and wants out. I remember hearing him quoted as saying that if the Clippers don't make the playoffs this year(which is almost 100%) than he is leaving no matter what. I still don't see how we can get him though. He is their best player, remember the clippers traded the 2nd pick for him, they have very high expectations esp. if they traded him.
Brand can play minutes at center and would in this scenario. I checked on the stupid real gm thing(that works really well) and Elton's pay is significantly higher than EG's. I guess this year his salary went up when they picked up the option in the offseason.
I hate giving up Cato & having to rely on Collier & MoT as our back-up 5(Brand seems too short for this on a consistant basis). If we could include Collier instead of Cato somehow, I'd be happy.
I can't imagine how we could realistically do this without moving Mobley. He's the only guy aside from Francis/Yao remotely close in value plus he fills a need on that team -- a consistent scorer at the guard position plus he's cheap. I would imagine Griffin would have to involved as well; otherwise we'd just have a repeat of our situation at the beginning of the season with KT/Griff/MoTay. I would do Mobley/Griff for Pike/Brand in a heartbeat (asssuming salaries match). That give us Brand plus a consistent shooter, both of which we need. But I think the Clips could do better. I don't see why they'd deal with us.
I do not like the idea for the long run. It is okay for the short-run. Brand, if he gets a Max deal, has to be a 20-10 guy to justify the money. But if Brand is going to get 20 points a game. There won't be enough ball around for everybody. Steve is going to get his shots, Cat is going to get his shots, Yao might get his shots. You are talking now 4 starters that demand the ball. It is not going to work. Unless you use Cat off the bench. However, the one thing that I do not like is that it is going to hinder Yao's development as a post player if Brand is on the team. Coaches always want to win games. It makes sense for the team to give Brand the ball on the post instead of giving Yao the ball as Yao has not developed a consistent post game yet. so in the end, Brand will get 20-10, Yao will get 14-10. But what's wrong with that? Well, in the west, a Center-dominated team is better than a PF-dominated team because there are too many good PFs around in the west. I like the matchup between Yao and other centers (excluding Shaq) more than the matchup between Brand and Duncan (Wallace, Webber). That means I would rather like to see Yao to be the go-to post guy instead of Brand. But if Brand is on the team, he will be the man in the post just because he is better now. So what if eventually even with Brand on the team, Yao becomes the go-to guy? Well, then Yao will be 20-10, Brand will be 15-10, but then why pay a Max contract to a PF with 15-10??? So the conclusion is, we need a PF likes rebounding and defending, but not necessarily score too much. That kind of PF will not cause us a Max contract, but Brand will.
Elton Brand gets a lot of his points off putbacks. He is a tenacious rebounder. He does not require tha ball to be effective. Brand is the perfect complimentary player to Yao. Why? if Yao is taking shots who's going to rebound if he misses? Also, Brand will prevent other teams from doubling Yao as often creating more opportunities.
Posey cannot be traded and I don't believe the Rockets would move Nachbar. I could see a Rooks/Brand for Cato/Griffin deal. But, if the Rockets decided to move Posey to the 2, they could move Mobley and get back someone like Piatkowski. Personally, I'd do this deal every day and twice on Sundays but I think they might have to move Mobley to get it done. I mean, two post up options and a legit 20/10 guy next to Yao? Good grief.
I agree we shouldnt tamper with our team right now. I agree Brand is a better scorer, and maybe rebounder, but Griffin knows his role. Griff is not going to say give me the damn ball cus we need him to do his thing with out the ball. We need to have patience i want the Rockets so bad, but i think Eddie is a better fit with us. Once he gets some consistancy watch out. I also believe in the long run Eddie will be cheaper and may end up better.
I like Eddie Griffin but he can only hope to be what Brand is now. Brand is 23. Eddie is 20. IF Eddie develops into Brand, everyone would be ecstatic so why woudn't we do it? If the rumor is true (another big If), it would be a no-brainer.
Griffin, Nachbar, and Collier for Brand - trade accepted at Real GM. I'd do it - Brand's a monster. Don't worry about the money either - Yao's marketing power should allow Les to go over the cap (not to mention the new arena and new logo merchandise).
Brand is light years ahead of Griffin. This team is ready to start winning right now. Griffin has shown difficulty guarding Duncan, Webber, Nowitski, etc. He's very raw. We can only hope that he develops into an Elton Brand type of player. Although he might be playing well today, I think we all cringe when he takes those wide open jumpers.
Brand is leading the league in offensive rebounds at 4.4 per game - next guy behind him is Ben Wallace at 3.8 Brand is also fourth in the league in block shots, behind only Duncan, Wallace, and Shawn Bradley. He's also 13th in the league in FG%. He's the monster down low. He's the hoss. Let's assume that Eddie becomes as good as Rasheed Wallace (without the attitude). Even then, he still wouldn't be as good as Brand.
Is there anyway we can send Moochie in this deal? say Griffin,Mobley,Moochie for Brand,Jaric, Piakowski. Would that work...
