Rudy loves Mo Taylor. Michican Pride! If we traded Cuttino Mobley for Elton Brand, that would make us have NO SHOOTERS AT ALL! All we would have would be Terence Morris! Who would be our shooting guard?
Why would we need shooters when we'd have Brand and Ming, two unselfish team-oriented players, and a shot blocker (or two if EG stays) to go along with it? Inside play is high percentage bball and will open up the floor almost every single time (look at SA) And then there's Steve Francis. He could make up for the loss of a shooter if he really wanted. Posey can switch to off guard, but I don't like the prospects of Moochie taking more PG time.
Mobley ain't going nowheres. Trade has gotta be Cato and Griffin or Cato and somebody for Brand and somebody.
I don't know. I always thought...even if we had Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett along with Yao...people could not stop them alone. They would double team. But they would have to pass out. But wouldn't that be bad if we didn't have any consistent shooters? They could double or triple team Yao and Brand because they would know none of our players could shoot. But of course...they would make about 1 shot every 3 tries. Yeah. Without a doubt, I would love to have Elton Brand on our team. But it will never occur.
Look at SA last to post seasons when the Lakers started clogging up the middle. SA couldn't buy a bucket. We need our shooters just to keep the defense honest. If Mobley does get sent away fro Brand, I hope we can get someone that can hit an open outside shot.
Francis is the better shooter than Cat and Boki, once he gets comfortable, may become the best shooter in the team, probably anothe Peja.
Francis...better shooter. Okay I guess! Well, even though I would love to have Elton Brand, Steve Francis and Cuttino Mobley are inseparable. I think both of them would object to any trades. We are trying to develop chemistry. I have no problem with trading him. Bring us Elton Brand! But it's still not going to happen.
I don't know.... Derrick Anderson was torching the opposition when he was in the SA system. If he didn't suffer that injury right before the series, it might have been competitive. (Finding a stopper to Kobe would be another reason) And besides, in any gimmick, system or play there won't be a player who can out-Shaq Shaq. If the Big Toe chooses to play D, then that's pretty much the anchor in the Lakers scheme. So we'd still have Rice and Francis (shudder....) as spot up shooters. Err...what I'm saying is that I still think bringing Brand and filling in a Bullard like schmoe (Piantowski would do) from the waivers would stabilize our team doubly than waiting for Cat or EG to develop a patient and reliable shot that can pinch in on any given moment (they're streaky). Despite me liking Cat (I think of him more as a scorer than a spot up shooter), I'd salivate at the prospects of Brand....
Hey, Agreed this is wishful thinking, but..... I think “noming” had the best trade idea. Griff and Mob’s for Brand and Jaric. I’m surprised more of you didn’t jump on this. Jaric would give us a point that would allow Francis to play the 2 on offense (which many agree is his best suited position). On defense, Jaric is 6-7, so he and Francis could switch 1 & 2 defensive assignments. Also, as far as sterling’s incentive, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone mention the upcoming Lebron sweepstakes. The clippers are currently tied for the 6th worst record. With Kandi on IR and just having knee surgery, if they lose Brand, they lose the only consistency they have in the post --> hello ping pong balls!! So sterling would get two great (i.e. cheap) contracts & a chance at a young stud to continue his long standing trend of collecting some of the best young talent in the league (then of course pissing it away). Rox Line-up: Jaric/Mooch (Tito up & coming?) Francis/Hawkins Posey/Tmo (Boki up & coming?) Brand/MoT Ming/Cato To get this I would throw in our Chicago picks to boot and cash or whatever else sterling wanted. RealGm approved the straight up player swap... I'm not sure how draft picks or money would affect the legality of it under the CBA. At any rate, whatever happens, I’ll still be watching and cheering … that is of course if NBA TV would stop screwing my league pass out of games…..F*^#ers
I would like to have Brand on our Team. I also would like to have Griffin on our Team. Revue of important Rox Players:- Strata 1. Yao Ming Strata 2. Francis Strata 3. Griffin Strata 4. Mobley, Posey & Morris Strata 5. Cato,Taylor Strata 6. Rice, Hawkins & Nachbar Strata 7. Norris,Collier & Maddox. Anything that involved a player of Strata 3 or above must be a trade in which we Trade our STAR and a low Strata Player with a big Salary and get a STAR and a quality performer who would be significant in the Rockets playoff run. I would like to see us trade two players from BELOW Strata 3 and get a contributing Star! ie:- Mobley,Taylor, Rice or Norris in combinmation for Brand. Remember the Clippers owner is fast approaching a critical melt down!
If we trade for Brand and it includes one of the Clipper bench players I rather take Marko Jaric too. I'm telling you guys Jaric is not your average european player. He is a 6-8 body that can play the point, and is very good at it. He's very quick and athletic and plays pretty good defense too not like previous european players heck if he was a starter and played 35mins a game he could be a top 5 steals leader, he's avg. 1.6stls in 23mins now thats even more than Francis! The best thing about him now is that he loves to push the ball and create shots and he's very smart and very deceptive. He really plays an uptempo game, he doesn't ever standstill or wall really. He doesn't really look quick or athletic but surprisingly is and he really has a way of moving his body to get through double teams. He's shooting avg really doesn't do him justice now since he gets injured often but believe me he does and can shoot it anywhere out there, and he's not bad inside either which is better than I can say for A. Miller who misses a ton of layups.
I'd obviously love to have Brand. Will's post said it all for me. But I really doubt it will happen. I wouldn't be shocked to learn it has been talked about... but I'd think that the Clippers are fishing, more than anything. I wouldn't be surprised to see Brand traded, but I think Atlanta might be a more likely destination. Luckily, the small size of Brand's contract really helps us here. There just aren't that many teams that have plenty of good players at low salaries. From a basketball since, I could imagine Antoine Walker, Rasheed Wallace, or Jason Terry/Ratliff/SAR type trade making more sense. But the Clippers aren't gonna pay up to make one of those work. Memphis might have some amunition. So does Chicago (but I doubt Brand would return there). Other than that... we don't have all that much competetion, that I can see.
The Clippers were just in town the other day ( Toronto), so I got to a see many interviews with them, and to a man they all made one comment about what ails their team: There's only one ball. I love Elton Brand...I think he's a hard working stud player who's a perfect 2nd or 3rd player....However... 1) The free agency thing is a concern, cause if you make this move, it's your last move, and if Brand walks, even a year form now...that's what you get. 2) There is the " Only one ball" spectre hanging over this idea...If cuttino is included, that is reduced significantly, as Brand has averaged fewer fga/game in the last couple of years than The Cat...but otherwise it's creating a greater problem. I love Griffin, thinkhe's developing nicely with Yao, and think he may, if he continues to develop, become a better compliment to Yao's game than does Brand...but if Cat is included, and the free agency issue is resolved ( which I doubt) I do this trade in a hearbeat. Otherwise I don't go near it...
I don't see Jaric as part of this "possible" deal, for all the reasons that we believe Brand COULD be available... Brand, Miller, Kandi, and Odom are all looking for MAX deals... Jaric isn't. He's got 3 more years on a cheap contract, and he's GOOD. That's what Sterling keeps. That's the whole point of all this. Cheap contracts. Sterling is too cheap to pay for big ones. Piatkowski's contract is up, so he might include him, so he can get something for him, or to make a contract work. Its hard to imagine Sterling letting Brand go, but we also don't know what has gone on behind the scenes. If Sterling thinks that Brand won't sign, he'll want to get something for him. But, Sterling isn't going to pick up more big contracts, he'll want to either get good players with cheap longer contracts (ala Mobely), or potential stars with cheap contracts (ala Griffin), or draft choices. He's certainly not going to give up cheap contracts (ala Jaric), or take on expensive ones (ala Cato). So, while we ponder all the possibilities, we need to stay within the logic of this possibility. Odom might turn out to be the one guy they feel they can sign. He's been injured, and therefore might sign for less. If Mobely came over, who is his old friend, it might be another way to motivate Odom to stay. Kandi is gone, since he signed the one year early bird contract, and they won't resign him. Since they have Jaric, they'll probably trade Miller for someone good, preferably a center. They'll have to find someone willing to pay Miller the max, and who has either a player or picks they want. So, for instance, trading him to Atlanta for Theo Ratliff won't work, since Ratliff gets paid 3 times what Miller does, but trading him to Denver for Hilario would. Denver probably would do that deal, since Miller is a proven commodity, even though they love Hilario. If LAC could pick up Mobely and Griffin from Houston for Brand/Piatkowski, that would be a pretty good team, and STILL very cheap. That would mean the only expensive contract they'd have would be Odom's, and they could probably sign Maggette to a mid-level contract. Maggette could be traded too, if they don't think they can resign him ... Hilario/Zhizhi/Ely Griffin/Wilcox/Parks Odom/Maggette/Fowlkes Mobely/Richardson Jaric/Dooling So, if you follow the logic, who would be better for LAC to trade with? It would have to be someone with cheap contracts and big talent. Houston is at the top of that list. But, that would also mean, NO JARIC...
Another great analyzed post theory Sherlock, you have always been one of my favorite posters to read. You really know how to make things seem so reasonable and simple. Looks again like the Clippers are going to go through another rebuilding process starting next season. If only they could trade owners.
My first post in 5 months so be kind please. 3 Team Trade Idea No. 913367 Houston gets from LAC: Elton Brand Keyon Dooling Eric Piatkowski Sean Rooks Philadelphia gets from HOU: Cuttino Mobley Eddie Griffin Kelvin Cato Terrence Morris LA Clippers get from PHI: Allen Iverson Brian Skinner Samuel Dalmebert LA Clippers get from HOU: Tito Maddox Rockets roster F: Posey + Rice + Nachbar F: Brand + Taylor C: Yao + Rooks + Collier G: Francis + Dooling + Norris G: Piatkowski + Hawkins Sixers roster F: Van Horn + Morris + Williams F: Griffin + Thomas + Coleman C: Cato + MacCulloch + Rentzias G: Mobley + McKie + Buckner G: Snow + Satterfield + Salmons Clippers roster F: Odom + Magette + Fowlkes F: Skinner + Wilcox + Ely C: Olowokandi + Wang + Dalembert G: Miller + Jaric + Maddox G: Iverson + Richardson
I still think the combination has to be taking shots away and giving it to another. If a deal with Brand is done, then I'm sure Cat and his shots will have to be sacrificed. Right now Cato makes the same money as Kandi so his salary might need for Kandi's walk at the end of the season and Griffin is the rookie contract that they would probably want. Some kind of combination like that would probably be needed to get the deal done. The Clipps would take about 12 million in salary, so Brand,Magette or Q, and probably rooks would come close. I know for sure Mobley and Griffin for Brand and Maggette or Q would do it.
