Shareef and Theo is the only one that sounds reasonable and better than the Cat Grif mix. However, the clips probably want youth(because they are stupid). I couldn't think of another way to say that.
IMO, EG has to go. I don't think the Rockets have fully developed him to fit on this team. Brand would fit nicely on this team, but the Rockets would definitely have to give up a lot in order to get him. I think the Clips would want Mobley/EG/Nachbar for Brand and one of those rookies on the bench (Wilcox, Ely). But man, having Yao, Brand, Posey, Mobley and Francis as a starting lineup....daaamnn!
I would love to trade Mobely/Griffin for Brand/Piatowski ... Even though I believe Griffin will be great in the future, this is a no-brainer. I hate that Mobely signed for less to stay with the Rockets, and that very fact makes him appealling to Sterling, who runs his team cheap, but I've also gotten tired of Cuttino's stupid play, and would rather have Brand anyday... Besides, his friendship with Odom, would make it easier for Odom to sign for less, possibly, enabling LAC to keep him. I think Kandi is gone, and they'll have to trade Andre Miller to somoene as well... but he should bring in some good draft picks or other cheaper players LAC would want, and still put a competitive team on the court, although perhaps weak at center ... in fact, they might just put Griffin there. But, Mobely would score a lot of points in Clipper Land ... As others have mentioned, this would put us in huge luxury tax jeapardy after the season, which would make another trade important, to get rid of some salary. Even though Cato's contract is expensive, I like the chemistry between Yao and Cato coming off the bench. I don't want to trade him now. Maybe in another year or two, after he continues to improve... The trade I'd like to see, if this one came through, would be Taylor/Collier to Cleveland for Tyrone Hill/DeSagana Diop. They get rid of someone who hasn't fit there, in Diop, and something of value for Hill, in Taylor, a fairly young promising player, as long as they believe the Minnesota game isn't a fluke, recovering from injury... Hill would give us depth for the rest of this year, and serious cap relief this summer, since it makes no sense to pay a backup PF that kind of money, which we could pass onto Brand/Posey/Morris/Hawkins ... keeping us under the luxury tax. Next year, we would also have Rice's contract come off the books, once Boki develops at SF... This year, we'd have: Ming/Cato/Diop Brand/Hill/TMo Rice/Hawkins/Boki Posey/Piatowski Francis/Norris/Mattox Very strong defensive team ... and would go far in the playoffs... even this year.
I love Cuttino, and I really like EG, but I would absolutely make any trade, short of Steve and Yao, and willingly sacrifice making the playoffs this year, to bring the likes of Elton Brand to Houston. Not to flame, but you're a fool if you don't make this trade.
Gotta question why LAC makes this trade... last year they drafted a long, lean forward and a low-post forward (Wilcox and Ely); seems to me their needs would be at PG and C...
Man...LOL, I can't believe this thread is EXPLODING over a rumor that probably won't happen. Cmon guys, some guy said it on the radio and everyone goes nuts. That said...we would ROCK if we got brand! Brand's a better post defender and shot blocker than Eddie, and has a MUCH better mid range jumper than Eddie's flat clanker. My god, what team wouldn't do well with 3 ROYs on their team? (Yao, EB, Steve)
I don't think we need Brand at all cuz he will demand the ball for offense. What we need is a PF who doesnt demand the ball and yet plays very good defense against the power forwards of the West. Players like Brian Grant, PJ Brown, Tyrone Hill are perfect. I'm not suggesting we should get them but we should get these type of players because their work-ethic on the defense and rebounding are a big plus. We have the foundation, now we need the role players to build around them.
Let's face it, EG and MoT is too soft and weak. We are getting pounded at the PF position. EG did have a great game against SAC but that's w/o CWebb. I can guarantee u CWebb will schooled EG and get him in foul trouble. MoT, he's big but too slow. He's a small forward in the power forward body. Imagine Keeny Thomas has a body like that, we wouldnt be sending him to Philly.
Originally posted by Sane : Um...ok. No problem . Can I have Q and Dooling? That Miller guy is ok by me, too. If the competition is Memphis - they have the added bonus of picks. Sterling won't want Reef and Theo - money. Gooden/ Battier or Gooden/Lo Wright/Stro Swift both are dirt cheap, fill needs, and can be sweetend with OUR pick for this year. Ugh. They stand to have good future picks to package. We need a sweeter deal. We need one more value player and the Chicago pick/future picks. I think this Clips will shake out with Jaric/Dooling at PG, Maggette at SG, Odom at 3, ? at 4, and ? at 5. The two picks from this year look like backups, but both are more 5 than 4. What will Miller fetch? What will Kandi fetch? Would SA part with TP? What about Q? - not great value there. These effect our bargaining. If they can get a future stud 4, cheap pg help and/or help now at center, that's more than EG/Mobes. However, EG/Mobes plugs in with Odom better. Interesting.
I would like to go on record and state that if Sterling allows a trade of Brand for whoever the Rockets are willing to offer I will buy a ticket to LA, ring his doorbell, and deliver a personal strip-o-gram as a "thank you" gift from all of CC.net.
I am a big proponent of NOT acquiring more than 2 superstars -- too many cooks and whatnot -- but this is ridiculous. Heartbeat city. Clips: "Other than Yao and Steve, can we..." Rox: "Yes please." Clips: "Would you throw in.." Rox: "Yes please." Clips: "We're looking for draft p..." Rox: "Sure. Whatever. How many times do you want us to say it. Take it. Nobody's watching. Just take it. Take it. We've got a plane waiting..." Then, the coach would be fired pretty much every year we did not win a title. And in my estimation, this is a very Clipperesque trade. Eddie -- young, potential, undeveloped, so forth. Cuttino -- young (read: not actually that young), 20ppg, runs, a little delusional. Yeah, they could probably get better trades. But they could not get more Clipper trades. Stupid Clippers. Even if this is BS. Stupid Clippers. CBFC
As unlikely as it may seem, we have to remember we are dealing with the Clippers here, and from Sterling's point of view, a trade of Mobley/Griffin or Cat/Griffin for Brand/Piatkowski makes PERFECT sense. Anyone who is against this ought to have his head examined. As it has been mentioned before, a team with Francis, Posey at the 2, T-MO, Yao and Brand as the enforcer could be a contender even THIS year. It's a no brainer. Weird that Doc or Oeilpere haven't shown up yet, which actually may be a sign that there really IS something to it, as they have shied away from sharing info on trades that are just about to happen before... Let's keep our fingers crossed! Jesus, I go away for the weekend and I come back to find something like this! WOW!
Clips have some good, young talent at every position if one includes Candy. They need sense, not more bodies. They will trade only if their hand is pushed, including by Brand's Falk, and only to get salary management, young'ns. Let them deal. With Rox. But, if this is so imminent how come not a word from anywhere but here? Rox likely to stand pat. Which is not such a bad thing, at all.
I bet he does! As for my opinion. I think we should keep the team as it is. I question whether we need two post players that will dominate the ball. If Brand comes to town, will he keep Yao from being the #1 post option on the team? Will he take away shots from Yao? I know your answers already. Cat is taking away those shots now. But, I think he won't in the near future. Do the supporters of this trade believe a double post set really works now that the zone is legal? I am affraid that Brand would push Yao out of the post and make him more of a spot shooter. Cat/Griffin for Brand/change is a no-brainer but why not give this team a chance. Griffin is 20. Let's not give up on him yet.
I posted something like this in the griz thread but I thought it was relevent here too... what do you guys think of this one Houston trades: SF Bostjan Nachbar (2.3 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.3 apg in 6.4 minutes) PG Moochie Norris (4.8 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.6 apg in 18.6 minutes) PF Eddie Griffin (8.3 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.5 minutes) PF Jason Collier (3.4 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.1 apg in 8.7 minutes) Houston receives: PF Elton Brand (18.1 ppg, 11.4 rpg, 2.4 apg in 40.3 minutes) SG Shane Battier (8.1 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.2 apg in 28.9 minutes) Change in team outlook: +7.4 ppg, +4.1 rpg, and -0.5 apg. L.A. Clippers trades: SF Lamar Odom (15.6 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 3.8 apg in 36.8 minutes) PF Elton Brand (18.1 ppg, 11.4 rpg, 2.4 apg in 40.3 minutes) L.A. Clippers receives: PF Eddie Griffin (8.3 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 41 games) PF Stromile Swift (7.7 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 37 games) PF Drew Gooden (12.6 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.4 apg in 44 games) Change in team outlook: -5.1 ppg, -1.9 rpg, and -3.1 apg. Memphis trades: PF Stromile Swift (7.7 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 19.8 minutes) PF Drew Gooden (12.6 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.4 apg in 26.6 minutes) SG Shane Battier (8.1 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.2 apg in 28.9 minutes) Memphis receives: SF Bostjan Nachbar (2.3 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11 games) PG Moochie Norris (4.8 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.6 apg in 45 games) PF Jason Collier (3.4 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.1 apg in 10 games) SF Lamar Odom (15.6 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 3.8 apg in 16 games) Change in team outlook: -2.3 ppg, -2.2 rpg, and +3.6 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED
Why should we lose some young players with a high potential.. for a strong player for 1 year??? and this is the year we are only planning to head to the playoffs.
I guessed that was what happened. I was just amased how quickly Rudy was straightened out. Keep the good job, Les
I hope you don't consider Moochie and Collier our "young talent" while griffin is great and all brand is better... and from what I hear boki isn't a great defender and with the way Tmo has been I can't think of how boki would do better... Brand is 23... he is young talent with high potenial too..
yea of course i would give up Moochie, Collier, and maybe even Griffin...yes... But for half the season left.. No.. If we can get Brand on a long term contract then yes. But I doubt that would happen. so No. LOL im about to confuse myself. but yea..
