The primary reasons for not posting info are these: 1. Someone asks you not to do it. If you get a piece of info and someone says, "Please don't mention this to anyone" and you know the person, you know what "anyone" means. Depending on the person, it might mean "the general public," "your friends" or "not even your wife." 2. The info can be crucial to the team. I doubt that the Rockets want the rest of the NBA to know who kicked ass at their draft workouts for a variety of reasons. They certainly don't want other teams to know their strategy and I can't imagine they'd want other teams to know how well a player did if the Rockets really want him and fear he might get taken ahead of them. 3. The info could represent a problem for the leaker of info. If the information is top secret, it could represent a significant risk to the person giving it out. In other words, if he/she is caught, it could mean a lost job. 4. Saying something could jeopardize future info. A good journalist hears all kinds of information. Not all of it is valid or winds up happening. Nevertheless, the good journalist knows just when to use this info and how. You don't report everything you hear. One piece of info might lead you to another or might be worth writing. 5. Some of it might not be true. Sources have been known to be wrong and speculation and rumor, while interesting, don't serve the purpose of providing decent news. You end up like the boy who cried wolf. The point is, you have to be exceptionally selective about what you put in a public forum. I know from what friends have told me that this BBS is, many times, ground zero for journalists looking for info on the Rockets. We have developed a reputation for having Rockets news before anyone else and that reputation has spread. It is our job to use what info we have responsibly, which sometimes means not talking about it. Even I don't know what Clutch knows most times and, sometimes, vice versa. It is the nature of the business. ------------------ The internet is about the free exchange and sale of other people's ideas. - Futurama [This message has been edited by Jeff (edited June 03, 2001).]
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If the Rockets are actually interested in Outlaw that would defintely indicate something. There are 12 players from last year that the Rockets will have/potentially resign(11 if you count Anderson out already), 3 draft picks, and a free agent. We have heard about 5 separate power forwards: Kenny Thomas, Chris Webber, Maurice Taylor, Bo Outlaw, and Robert Horry. If you think Hakeem will resign and you believe that Cato is an immovable object then you can throw Collier into that bunch to make 6. Other than Webber, that is the biggest bunch of no names for a position we need a real star at (I am assuming that we need one great player at either the 4 or the 5 and that getting a center who fits the bill would be impossible).
So, all I want to know is if Doc Rocket can prove himself and tell us how old Steve Francis is? here's my four smilies: [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited June 03, 2001).]
Here's a couple of articles that I found on Miami & Orlando's possible FA plans that could affect the Rockets. <a href="http://www.miami.com/herald/content/sports/basketball/heat/digdocs/019629.htm">Orlando Sentinnel Story #1</a> Does anyone still want Mason? It sounds like he might be available. <a href="http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/basketball/magic/orl-spt-povtak060301.story?coll=orl%2Dmagic">Orlando Sentinnel Story #2</a> (Edited to decrease width - Jeff) Are the Magic changing their minds about Davis? They could probably have Webber, if they weren't so stubborn about keeping Hill. If they traded Hill for Webber & then did a sign & trade with Toronto of Outlaw/?/draft picks(which they seem to be loaded with) for Davis, they'd have a starting lineup of: C: Davis PF: Webber SF: McGrady SG: Miller PG: Armstrong(as long as they don't have to include him in the Davis trade) That'd be a pretty tuff starting lineup. Anyway, back to the Rockets. Could we be planning on helping them out with cap relief by taking Outlaw for LOS? I doubt it, unless the Rockets feel they won't get Webber. If Webber drags his decision out, do we wait & risk a chance of losing out on Jackson & other FA's? My biggest concern is ending up like the Bulls did last year. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Jeff (edited June 03, 2001).]
I think there is also the possibility of keeping 18/23, and trading 13 away. Why? #1.) It is the most valuable. #2.) The Rockets don't like 3 rookies, and if you feel you can get Ken Johnson at 18, and T. Morris at 23, then you've picked up the 2 positions you felt you were hurting at. #3.) It is the most expensive. Here's some trade speculation. We know Krumbs Krause has too many PFs, what would he think of Cato+#13 for Fizer? We get to move Cato and pick up a very good, cheap PF (that Sac. would like), clearing more cap room. Start thinking of what X Player+#13 will land you. ------------------ "That's been a lifelong dream of mine." -Vince Carter, after laying it in on a breakaway, much to the Vancouver crowd's displeasure.
NIKEstrad, I generally agree, but there is an element of risk. If Woods, K.Johnson, & Haywood are all gone by #18, we could be down to Dalembert. Collier is the only contracted Center. Perhaps we could get Brad Miller thrown in for something involving the release of the Drew obligation and/or players/picks. (Interestingly, the Bulls and Miller have recently agreed to extend the date for his option decision). If the Bulls would give up Fizer, that does free up room for a S&T to resign Dream or for Marc Jackson. I'm sure gettingbranded will throw in his 2 cents soon. ------------------ Raef to Rocks in '01-'02! [This message has been edited by GATER (edited June 03, 2001).]
I've been thinking about the draft, and I wouldn't mind just keeping all 3 picks and drafting our needs at C, SF, and backup SG. 13 Jefferson, 18 Forte, 23 Johnson or 13 Woods, 18 Forte, 23 Morris This is assuming these players are still left on the board when we pick. It would probably be a gamble to depend on Woods and Forte being available at 13 and 18, but it's possible. We would have great depth at every position if we kept all 3. ------------------ Now saw off...there's nothing to see here.
I want to get rid of Cato as much as any other Rockets fan. However, that is too much to give up just to get rid of a contract. I also remember reading that the front office will not get rid of Cato unless we get something valuable in return. Fizer and Drew obligation for Cato would be something more reasonable.(maybe the 23rd pick if push comes to shove) ------------------ Fuggetabout it
CHOICES, CHOICES I like trading for Fizer alot. I think we should try to send Cato & 13 to the Clippers for the future great Kandiman or Corey Maggette.Or Cato and W. Williams with 13 and 18 for both,they would probably have to thtow in some trash players but that would fill our need at C and SF very nicely and Micheal O. has always looked up to Dream it would be a nice passing of the torch. Dream could show him some moves It'd be a smart trade for both teams.Clippers get some Experienced players and some additional 1st rounders and we get some help in some areas of need and dump Cato's contract.They have to many SF, so they will probably want Moochie instead of Walt to take some of the PG pressure off Odom.I'd still do it.I'd have to think about it, but I'd still do it. I like this trade better! ------------------
I get exasperated reading about Cato plus draft picks. Chicago would give us Fizer (who did not have an impressive rookie year) or Miller and one of their draft picks for Cato. THEY LIKE CATO! And Cato may surprise all of us this coming year with a breakout season. He's due! (actually overdue) ------------------
Does anyone else see a trade of Mo Taylor for Bo Outlaw as being implied as a possibility on the front page of the website? One of the articles sited talks about a good deal of interest by Orlando last year in Mo and a trade of Mo Taylor for Bo Outlaw appears to increase Olando's cap space to just over 5M, which would be more than the 4.4M Golden State has to match offers. If so, this would compensate us for what we just went through on the 18th pick. ------------------ [This message has been edited by win14me (edited June 03, 2001).]
WE NEED TO MOVE CATO BEFORE HE GETS INJURED AGAIN.IF ITS THIS HARD TO MOVE HIM NOW, IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO MOVE HIM INJURED. ------------------
Okay Okay... I'll pitch in on the craziness. Would you keep Cato if you could draft Battier? Meaning, would you abandon the ability to draft Ken Johnson or Haywood as a Dream/Cato replacement and package the 13,18 and 23 together to nab Battier? Also, don't you think Battier's winner's attitute might bring out the best in Cato? This team would be talking constantly w/ Battier in the lineup. They'd talk on the floor, they'd talk in the huddle. Or is it too expensive? Is the potential of a Morris at the 23rd pick or a Bradley at the 13th pick, or Ken Johnson at the 18th too high to risk on the WYSIWYG Dukie? ------------------ You're a fine woman, why don't you mock that draft up
That is too expensive for my taste. If we move up I would take White, Griffen or Brown. But I would want a 2nd round pick since the draft is so deep. To tell you the truth. This years draft is like gambling. Bet it all on one hand or split your bet into 3 and give yourself more tries to win. I am starting to think the 3 draft picks are better. ------------------ Fuggetabout it [This message has been edited by bigboymumu (edited June 03, 2001).]
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Nike, What about this 3 way trade? Using last year's RealGM numbers(when are they going to update that?). To simulate Davis's reported $8 mill asking price, I plugged Carter's salary into the equation. Houston sends Cato/#13 pick to Toronto. Orlando sends Outlaw/DeClercq/draft picks to Toronto. Orlando sends Hudson(cap filler. also, you could substitute Amaechi) to Houston. Toronto sends Davis(@ $8 mill) to Orlando. Toronto sends Jerome Williams to Houston. DeClercq/Hudson(or Amaechi)/Williams would have to agree not to opt out of their contracts, until after the trade(assuming they can opt out after a trade. Aelliott, can you clarify this point for me?). The Rockets would have to have a wink wink nudge nudge agreement with Williams to not opt out, so that we'll have his Early Bird rights next year or, since we'll actually acquire an extra $2-3 mill in cap space(not counting the value of the #13 pick), we could resign him for about $4.5-5 mill without affecting the current cap space. This trade would also allow Orlando to keep Armstrong. They've got plenty of current & future draft picks that could be thrown in to make it work. Would you do this deal & do you think Orlando/Toronto would do it? Another variation using Walt instead would be: Houston sends Walt/#13 pick to Toronto. Orlando sends Outlaw/DeClercq/draft picks to Toronto. Orlando sends Doleac to Houston. Toronto sends Davis(@ $8 mill) to Orlando. Toronto sends Jerome Williams to Houston. What do you think? Can it fly or is it not realistic? ------------------
