Some Rockets relevant analysis from Basketballprospectus

If Battier's backside was butt naked, those 12-14 points would definitely be easy. Defenders would be running away from him.

 

Not to be rude(apologies), or to even disagree with your above take(I agree!), but if you paid half as much attention to detail to Brooks' defensive deficiencies, Battier's defensive contributions, Yao Ming the basketball player etc. etc... as you do to Battier's offensive inabilities(that by the way you so eloquently outlined and rehashed for us), you may actually pass off as a level headed, unbiased, agenda-less poster.

 

I like Shane, but I agree, when I sat courtside, during the Rockets streak, it was the New Jersey game.

And Battier was in the corner, and his defender turned his head....and I immediatly yelled....CUT......to Shane...he stayed......

Before the end of the play, I yelled out...JJ Redick would have made that cut Shane.....and he turned, looked at me and smiled.

I was not being funny, I was telling him the truth.



DD

 

cxbby, all human actions cant be quatitative my friend. A guy like jackson has a much higher value to a team than a guy like shane or trevor. Why? Other players believe in him. There isnt a confidence stat. Sam cassell was the same way and there isnt a magic formula. Now i dont know what jacksons per was and in terms of effeciency, he's not on par with martin,but i can see the elevated play of the entire after his trade to both gsw and now charlotte. Winning playoff basketball games requires a different element than beating minny after they've played dallas and the spurs a couple of night prior.

 

Not even close. Don't make stuff up.

 

ah but you are missing the true beauty of in-depth statistical analysis. no matter whether the initial change is tangible (player A shoots provably better than player B) or intangible (player A has better tattoos than player B), if the end result, or even the middling results create wins, result in more points, make a team more efficient, reduce fouls, allow other players to rebound better . . . it's trackable with stats. replacing the rockets roster with 17 clones of teen wolf would have dramatic, quantifiable, effects purely based on statistical analysis. it doesnt matter that they have fangs, the results of doing this substitution will result in statistically relevant data that can be analyzed. the art of it is knowing where to look for the datapoints that actually tell you something useful without getting lost in the literal ocean of quantifiable results that don't lead you anywhere.

 

You're right. Only the actions that have any effect.

Because he's a better player?

There isn't a confidence stat, but there is a "win stat", its called Win Share, and it measure your contribution to winning. If Jackson(this is Stephen we're talking about?!) truly elevated GSW and Charlotte's entire team play, then that can be measured and quantified in advanced metrics such as the aforementioned Win Share, or the like.

Lee, I understand that there are some things that you can see with your eyes, that won't show up on the standard boxscore. We agree on that. The problem is you still do not have a grasp on the difference between standard boxscore and advanced metrics.

 

LOL.

Can't rep more than once, sorry.

 

My only agenda is having the best rockets regardless of the name on the back. That the difference between me and alot of posters. I dont hate or despise any player from any team. If they can help the rockets win a ring, thats my only concern.

Cxbby, if u could watch a game with me and take notes like i always do, we would have 2 totally different notes. I'm not saying thats a bad thing, but our eyes are trained different.

 

I guess they stopped believing in Jackson once they got into the playoffs this year.

 

Scola's numbers surprise me.

He has far and away the worst 1 Year Adj +/- and was actually worse offensively than defensively.

I wouldn't have expected either of those things.

To have just handed out that huge contract, Morey must have overriding data or expect that Yao will have a huge impact on his effectiveness.

 

This is what we are all here for, but reading your collective posts projects a very different vibe. Maybe you are too enthralled to see it for yourself. As for me: "Seeing is believing", remember.

Lee, I don't question your grasp on basketball. I think you may very well know much more about the game than me. What I question is your grasp on advanced statistics, mathematics, and logical thinking. And somewhat your agenda based on past conversations re: Morey.

 

Clearly, Morey must have statistics that put Luis in a better light. As a fan, I'm surprised as well. Watching the games, at least for me, his impact is easy to see.

 

I was mostly surprised to see how bad he was offensively.

I never thought Scola was a great defender but I didn't see him being our worst offensive player last season by any means.

 

Could you post the offense/defense for Scola and Landry? I'm curious.

 

+/- is useless.

 

That's the point of advanced statistics, to take away this kind of subjectivity and make player analysis more objective. I might be in love with Player A for whatever reason, but if tons of stats don't back it up, I should rethink my position.

 

The problem is that Player A may not fit in the environment he is in now, but you can see based upon his style of player how he would fit in another enviroment, which stats would never be able to show.

Some players are hampered by their environment, just as some are helped...

One of the biggest arguments the Lowry over Brooks people use is that Brooks stats were impacted a lot by him being the focus point without Yao, and thus make the conclusion that his value will drop playing with Yao.

I guess we shall see if they are correct, but you have to admit environment, role, coaching strategy, and players you play with and against matter just as much as stats.

DD

 

Advanced statistics DO take environment into account. This is what adjusted +/- does. That is one of the reason they are called "advanced," as opposed to regular stats like PPG or APG.

Brooks usage rate should go down if Yao is healthy, and that will affect PPG. But other stats, like efficiency, should go up. This is what happened to Ariza when Martin arrived.

 

What the hell man??