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Some people don't deserve a trial.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by deb4rockets, Apr 25, 2022.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    That's horrifically scary given that these constitutional rights were meant to protect innocent people of legal abuse, not the guilty parties. I don't think you understand the consequences of what you are actually suggesting.
     
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    Again, while it's a horrific crime, everyone gets their day in court no matter what.

    Human history is full of horrors based on the dehumanization of people. This equating of humans to animals has been done many times before history ending with the murders of millions of children.

    Your passion is understandable. But it is so dangerous.
     
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    There's nothing liberal about her suggestion.
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I'm pretty sure there are plenty of "conservatives" who feel the same way about such crimes, in particular, crimes like this one.
     
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    I like to believe we all want to be on the side that prevents children from being endangered. Sometimes that means Child Protective Services taking kids away from their parents.

    I guess it could be considered "liberal" since the government is involved to interfere. Not by the letter but how the word has been used in American politics
     
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    You were the one calling me a troll, so get off your own high horse. I'm usually the one defending people who are discriminated upon and treated unfairly by those jerks who think they are the almighty saviors of the old ways of bigotry we should have moved on from by now.
     
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    Dude, chill out. I'm just ranting, not proposing actual law changes to my Congressman.
     
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    You know how poor our social services are in Texas? They are way understaffed. I mean when is the last time you have seen big changes and reform? All their focus is on the damn border, restricting the vote any way they can, loosening gun restrictions, banning books and gay rights, kicking the homeless off the streets, and catering to the big corporations with huge tax breaks to move here.

    Imagine if all those billions wasted on the border and the Stop the Steal recounts had been used to actually help the children being abused, the children with no healthcare, and the mentally ill.
     
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    I guess your un-American, regressive position on justice doesn't count if you haven't put a stamp on the envelope yet.

    Sorry we were thought you were bringing up a topic to debate.
     
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    Nah, just ranting to see how many defenders of the coup leader actually pipe in and act like they care about the constitution and justice when they defend traitors, racists, and bigots.
     
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    What a bold ruse!
     
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    LOL
     
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    I don't really want to enlarge the dogpile any further, but I have to point out that you are literally the only one in this thread advocating for denying a defendant their civil rights. You're not just arguing with a bunch of Trumpers. For perhaps the first time, Trumpers and liberals agree on this one. Not even @DaDakota went there.
     
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    LOL

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    This response doesn't sound trolly despite the recent backpedal...

    Every state has its flaws and failures when it comes to the poor or marginalized, so it's not a party thing. It's more like, why is a country as rich as America still this way with more than enough Americans living in dirt poor conditions?

    And again, Communists wanted to solve the greater issue of what they imagined corrupting and inevitably destroying end state capitalism.

    It's just that no one really trusts a minority of people governing others, let alone "their" children.

    Venting through electrons won't change much. Volunteering or physical community activism might be the best we can all do to change the world.

    //starts reading volumes from the Atlantic to save the world again
     
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    Every state has its flaws and failures but Texas is one of the worst. It's time to put some Democrats in charge and see what they can do. The Texas GOP has failed children miserably.

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    I recently read some education article that said roughly 44% of California's hispanic children are segregated with low quality schooling. Schooling is interesting because funding is tied to location, so people individually self segregate themselves into enclaves and gated communities in order to "best raise their family". That also means that poor families inevitably receive poorer quality of education. Only half of black and hispanic students in California qualify for the state's acceptable measured standard of reading and math. Despite all of that, education costs are rising...

    Capitalism thrusts resource scarcity in front of everyone's minds, so when it's not a time of plenty, like now, people reflexively think more about their own interests, their own families, and what's best for their own children. It's probably why Texas Republicans get away with "family first" or "children first" when the numbers you posted are terrible. They also think their decisions make their destiny when luck still determines at least half of an individual life's success(who you're born to, where you started, what people you already know, whether or not an act of god strikes you, your city/state/country...).

    I'm not sure if that's cognitive dissonance, but that's what promoting fear and feeling persecuted does.
     
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    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Is it the schooling they receive or the environment they live in? I live in one of the better funded school districts because of the crazy property values in the Austin Area. There are 6 high schools in the district, and their school rank pretty much correlate with median income for the immediate area around them even though they are all funded the same and follow the same curriculum.

    If you live in an affluent area, there are less distractions. Kids don't need to get jobs to support the family, less single parent households, more stay at home parents or parents that work from home, parents don't go to jail, money for tutoring etc. I grew up in Alief and I saw effects of all that growing up.
     
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    I figured this was a trump thread.
     

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