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Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by KAS13, Apr 27, 2006.

  1. KAS13

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    The texans like Griffin but i don't know if he'll be there in the 3rd.
     
  2. Nashvegas

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    KAS

    you think that's the reason we might be looking to move up and acquire another #1 to get a CB?

    Also....any chance we take a gamble on Brooks from UVA in the supplemental draft?
     
  3. KAS13

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    I just heard they were interested in trading after they pick Reggie. I know they want a CB and need help on the OL. I don't think they would have a problem giving up #2 and 4 to move up. It just depends on who they want.

    I want them to take a flyer on Brooks but i doubt they will.
     
  4. jopatmc

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    Why not just trade Reggie for New York's #4, #29, and whatever else. Draft VY (if he slips there), get your corner at #29, then get some offensive line help in the 2nd round.
     
  5. Jeff

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    Because they don't want VY.
     
  6. KAS13

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    Yep. To be honest, if we had the top three picks we'd take Bush, Williams and Brick. If you gave us a 4th it would be Hawk.
     
  7. jopatmc

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    Too bad, so sad.
     
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    And that my friends is why they are a terrible franchise that has done absolutly nothing to endear themselves to the fans and have left those of us trying to get interested in this team scratching our heads on past draft days thinking, WTF is this team doing?
     
  9. Desert Scar

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    I think more accurate is because they have David Carr at 3 more years at high cost and don't want another high priced QB period. That is pretty much the Texans statement (no interest in ANY QB).

    Doesn't mean they don't think high of Vince Young, they brought him in didn't they.

    They are going to put their eggs in Carr and Bush (or outside chance another non-QB), I would not have, but history will tell if they were right.
     
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    I think history will tell us they were right. I don't think there is a wrong answer here. I think history will tell us that whoever drafts Vince Young will be right the most often.
     
  11. reggietodd

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    couldn't have said it better myself.
     
  12. jtotheb

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    I really hope that this doesn' tlead to a hold out. Not sure if this was posted before, but I just came across this little nugget:

    Bush, Texans still not close to deal, sources say

    By Len Pasquarelli

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    With the clock ticking toward noon Saturday, the Houston Texans are going to have to make considerable progress in a short period of time if the team is to complete a contract agreement with Southern California tailback Reggie Bush before the start of the draft.

    Despite reports that contend the two sides are close to an accord, and that there was a breakthrough in a long bargaining session earlier this week, ESPN.com has confirmed through sources close to the talks that movement has been incremental at best.

    One source termed the talks "a little bit like being in quicksand."

    There were discussions each of the last two days, but they were brief -- particularly Thursday -- and the two sides remain far apart on the numbers. The Bush camp is hoping to reach the maximum value for a six-year contract. Under the restrictions presented by the collective bargaining agreement guidelines, that is likely to be in the area of $54 million, with about half of that in guarantees after the option mechanism is exercised. There remains ample time to consummate an agreement before the draft, but just the hours required to craft what could be a 30- or 40-page contract document could make things challenging.

    It is believed the Texans, who feel they should not award a premium contract to a non-quarterback, even a Heisman Trophy winner possessing Bush's scintillating playmaker skills, are well shy of those numbers. Last year's top pick, San Francisco 49ers quarterback Alex Smith, signed a six-year contract worth $49.5 million, with $24 million guaranteed.

    Another factor that slowed talks a bit was a report suggesting the Texans had cleverly leveraged Bush by simultaneously negotiating with North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams, the only other candidate for the top spot in the draft. That report angered some members of the Bush family and seemed to further steel the USC star's resolve to land a contract he considered to be market value.

    Because they own the No. 1 spot in the lottery, the Texans are permitted to conduct negotiations with as many prospects as they want, and general manager Charley Casserly has said his team is in talks with the representatives for Williams, the top defensive player on many draft boards. But negotiations are not as far along with Williams, who received a new proposal from the Texans on Tuesday or Wednesday, as they are with Bush, who is still expected to be the first player selected.

    There is speculation the Texans have spent time this week doing their due diligence after weekend reports that Bush's family had been living in a home supplied to them by a man who hoped to represent the star running back in marketing pursuits.

    Houston officials certainly don't want any surprise allegations that might tarnish Bush's image as a high-character player. On Tuesday, Bush spoke with Casserly by phone to allay any such concerns. ESPN.com has learned that Bush met with NFL security officials on Thursday to answer their questions.

    Although it is not imperative that the first choice in the draft be signed before the proceedings commence, Houston owner Bob McNair prefers that be the case. But over the past 10 years, only three of the top picks had deals in place before the draft began. One of those players was Texans quarterback David Carr, the first selection in the 2002 draft.
     
  13. VesceySux

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    KAS, I may not agree with you most of the time, but I appreciate the information. (I definitely understand the frustration of being called out after passing along inside info.)
     
  14. VooDooPope

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    If I was Vince Youngs agent I'd call the Texans and put a sweet heart of a deal on the table and under cut Bush. What VY would give up in NFL salary he'd make up in endorsements in his home town for sure.

    Thanks for the info KAS. I'm on the record as not liking the Texans passing on VY but I do appreciate having an insider giving us the scoop.
     
  15. jopatmc

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    Mattress Mac would make up for it himself.
     
  16. halfbreed

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    I really hope this doesn't turn into a hold out a la Cedric Benson.
     
  17. stevel

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    KAS13, thanks for all the info. If the Texans are looking to move back up into the first round they would have to be targeting a CB. There should be some quality tackles available at 33, CB might be a different story tough.
     
  18. Harrisment

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    KAS, you got anything new? I'm a little concerned after hearing that contract talks have stalled between the Texans and Bush. Have you heard anything regarding that, is Mario still in the picture?
     
  19. updawg

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    I'm curious how much the housing scandal is starting to play into this. It seems to just keep growing. You got to wonder what reggie is telling the texans. If he's going to be the 1st pick, you got to make sure you have fully investigated it
     
  20. ROXRAN

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    By his comments, the way and manner he expresses himself, I believe he is a good character guy, and the last thing we need is a "pac-man jones" type of person...I don't think this is the case.
     

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