Some Insight on the Cedric Benson ordeal from someone that knows

OK, there's obviously no way I'm gonna win this argument, it's like 1 against 100.

Cat, gr8-1:
I understand Roy and Calmus will be tough to replace, and Roy can't be replace, but dont ya think your 2 top 5 draft picks will be kinda hard to replace too?

I'm not saying UT isn't talented, if it was based on talent they'd have wont the last 5 championships.

What does a longhorn lack?
a championship

BK:
1st of all, nice post. And if Simms does blow out OU, then I'll be the 1st to say I'm wrong. And yes, you are right that I have high standards for him, but that's because he was supposed to be the savior. Is he more talented than White? no doubt. Can he win the big game? He hasn't shown that yet, and I'm just posting on past performances.

"I'd say we got 'em pretty good. I didn't see OU in the top 5..."
You haven't "got us" until you beat us, and that hasn't happened in awhile....... IF anyone got us, it was the stupid Cowpokes

 

lmduke, honestly, you do know that ou was one of the dirtiest programs in the ncaa, right? Not sour grapes, doesn't ou lead the ncaa in probation years?


Vasher will replace Jammer at corner. Imo, Vasher is more athletic than Jammer and may have better hips. He could be a better COLLEGE corner.

Ced Griffin/Dak Pearson will probably be the safety duo. We get alot taller here.

Jon Scott, redshirt freshman, will start at tackle along with Dockery. Do you remember the year of the offensive lineman (01)? Mack practically shutout atm that year and recruited 8 guys? Scott is from that class.

Talent wise, this is the deepest Texas team I've seen.

 

Yes, I am aware of that..........that was the past, not now.

 

I'd say "don't give the other team the game" are pretty modest expectations. I'm not confident he can meet those, however.

 

Stoops recruited Lynn McGruder, a known felon.

 

So, what's the deal? Why do the longhorns, who seemingly lead the nation in recruiting year in and year out, never even come close to winning a national title? Does Mac Brown fall under the category of guys who are great recruiters but really crappy coaches?

 

Damn right. Vasher is this year's "shut down" corner. Vasher is the best playmaker in the country, and apparently has NFL scouts salivating. Combine him with Roderick Babers on the other side, and I think that Savage, Clayton, Fagan et al will be neutralized.

At LB, Rawls, T Jones, and DD Lewis all leave, and we replace them with more athletic guys in Lee Jackson, Reed Boyd, and Aurmon Satchell. Expect superpreps Michael Williams and Aaron Harris to get some reps as well.

My only question is whether or not Scott is ready to take over at left tackle, and guard Simms' blind side. Derrick Dockery is the next great one in line after Leonard and Mike.

At RB, we add some depth in Anthony Johnson along with bruiser Ivan Williams. Brock Edwards has moved to FB, where he'll split time with Trissel.

WR: this is ridiculous.
DLine: anchored by first team AA, Cory Redding

BE afraid Sooner fans.

 

Don't forget about DJ. I think Garnet Smith will move ahead of Satch in the rotation as well.


DCKid, Texas hasn't had depth. Mack has had 2 #1 recruiting classes, the other two weren't in the top ten. I didn't consider last year a bad season. We were one turnover from losing to Miami in the Rose, imo. Still, first top 5 finish in 18 years. Mack's kids are just now becoming upperclassmen. Mackovic didn't recruit alot of speed, whereas Brown seems to concentrate on it. Our best days are ahead of us, imo.

 

I wish there were a snopes.com for college football, based on a lot of what I'm reading here.

...and...

1) "Last five championships"-- Do you really think Texas had the most talented team in the country in 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001?

The only one of those five teams that anyone could reasonably claim was the most talented was the 2001 team, and I think the NFL draft (in which Texas had two players selected total and Miami had five taken in the first round) proves pretty conclusively that isn't the case.

Why do you even say things like that? Was Texas supposed to win the national championship with guys like Brandon Nava, Courtney Epps, Dusty Renfro, Aaron Babino, and Joe Walker?

2) "Lead the nation in recruiting"-- at least you said "seemingly", which to me indicates you know you're wrong. Texas has had two "number one" recruiting classes under Mack Brown: 1999 and 2002. Since the 2002 class hasn't set foot on campus yet, I think it's a little unfair to say Texas should have won a national championship with them at this point.

That leaves the 1999 class, who were juniors and redshirt sophomores last year. They went 10-1 and played Colorado for a probably berth in the national championship game before losing. They finished 11-2 and ranked fifth in the country. I don't think that's anywhere near the colossal failure it's made out to be.

Well, he's 15-3 over the last two years as a starter. I don't think Simms has as much of a problem with giving the game away as you seem to think.

 

BK, you or I could've won at least 10 of those games. Let's get serious here. Do you really think teams like UH or Baylor should count when compared to Mack "February Champion" Brown and UT?

 

huh? this is taken from http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/pages/mackbrown.html.

<i>The remarkable staff — which has remained nearly vitually intact for four years and has more than 200 years of combined experience — quickly assembled one of the country’s top recruiting classes in the short time before signing day in 1998. Then, they topped that with the nation’s No. 1-ranked class that featured the USA Today Offensive and Defensive Players of the Year (Chris Simms and Cory Redding) on signing day 1999 and followed that with Top 5 classes the last three springs. </I>

I don't know who to believe? Based on what the Mack Brown website says, they've been in the top 5 in recruiting every season except his first one, when he didn't have a lot of time to work. This is why I said "seemingly" because it "seems" like every season he has been there the Longhorn recruiting class has been among the best in the country. I don't think I'd be exaggerating to say that over the past five years, the Longhorns have been the best recruiting program in the nation.

I just wonder what has Mack done to prove that he is a good coach. From my observations, it seem like he has done some things that make him look like a bad coach.

 

How many of those 15 wins came against ranked opponents?

2 out of the 15 wins (A&M '00 and CU '01). Both of those games were in Austin.

Also, if you look at Simms TD to INT ratio and turnovers vs. ranked opponents, you will see he ***** his pants every time.

 

Mack's most impressive win as head coach at UT before the '01 Holiday Bowl: at Nebraska '98, and that was without any of these big name recruits.

 

DC, you didn't say "among the best". You said "lead" the nation. I think there is a difference between the two. The implication, as I read it, was that we had the best class every single year.

There's no question Texas has recruited well under Mack Brown, but there's also no objective evidence that Texas has recruited any better than Florida State or Tennessee or Michigan. There is talent on the roster, but hardly so much of it that the program should now be considered immune to losing to good teams.

Regarding Simms:

Yes, I think all of the wins count. We weren't 0-2 or 5-2 or 8-2 last year, we were 11-2.

No, he did not play well in Texas' two biggest games last year (Oklahoma and Colorado). I don't see how those two games can be extrapolated into proof that he can't win big games or "gives games away". He certainly gave the first half of the Colorado game away. It's unfortunate he didn't get a chance to redeem himself in the Holiday Bowl. But that's what his senior season is going to be for.

 

I'm going to open up a business selling gravestones to Longhorn fans, they'll all be about the same with the same epithet, "I was a Longhorn fan, and I was never satisfied".

I swear, Mack Brown resurrects this program from the depths of ineptitude and gives us the first top five finish in two decades . . . and he still sucks. Chris Simms comes here and does nothing but play his ass off for us. Has he lived up to expectations? Nope, but he did lead us to a top 5 finish, and has been nothing but a class act under a difficult situation, when a very vocal contingent of Texas fans have not.

 

Yeah, yeah, go Cougars,

0-11 baby.
Watch them go 2-9

 

Why is it not OK to assume that Cedric did something illegal, but it's OK to assume that the cops did something illegal?