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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. superfob

    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    Line the border with landmines.
    If you get through the border, you earn citizenship.

    Use drones to create reality tv show to fund everything.

    I think even the rightwingers on the bbs can get behind this.
    It is merit based after all.
     
  2. DonnyMost

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    Mexican ninja warrior?
     
  3. Rashmon

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    Agree with all of this post. Those of us that do research can not afford to allow our own bias affect the outcome of studies. It is a sad state of affairs that the well has been poisoned to the degree that people would assume we inject our own bias into a study. Why would we risk our career and integrity to do so?

    Now, if I am a progressive liberal my field of study focus may be in progressive liberal positions or causes but to inject bias into the actual research results is impermissible.
     
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  4. bongman

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    Who is pretending the borders don't exist. You seem to make a lot of claims about what other people think.

    When people risk their lives and their own children, do you think the are being stupid or they are left with only that one option? They are asking for help and you give them a lecture? Which jobs are they taking away, the ones that regular americans won't do due to low pay? How many americans are going going pick fruits all day long for minimum wage? How many employers can afford that?

    So everything revolves about what YOU would do? I am also a child of blue collar parents who had to work for every penny, does that make my understanding better? The answer is NO.

    There are bigger problems in this country than immigration. This is how the Nazis presented their justification of separating the Jews. We will not kill them but just ship them out. Then policies change and next thing you know.... You boast about history but the only history you want to acknowledge is yours and forget about the other stuff and ignore what this type of behavior accomplished.

    BTW, have you been to that statue of liberty... you know, America's symbol for a long time.
     
  5. NewRoxFan

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    But... its the Democrats fault...

     
  6. thumbs

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    An historic first … we are of like mind on the Rio Grande use and misuse.
     
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  7. JuanValdez

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    I'm interested in e-verifty for employment, but leery for leases. Renting someone an apartment is just a service like selling them groceries or giving them phone service. Why limit the freedom of enterprise from this one industry while you let everyone else do business with illegals? Don't ask vendors to do immigration enforcement for you. But rights to work is something legitimately predicated on your status, so it seems perfectly appropriate to ask an employer to cooperate on an e-verify protocol.
     
  8. thumbs

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    If uniformly and effectively enforced, I have no problem with using e-verify alone in all 50 states to resolve the immigration problem.
     
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  9. Senator

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    Yes. They are being stupid by having too many kids in extreme poverty. And hurting their communities as well by leaving everyone in a state of constant panic, so much so that they would risk this knowing the consequences. Overpopulation is a real problem that liberals pretend doesn't exist. You can't complain about global warming and ignore the single largest issue that contributes to it. Endless growth and the idea that when the Earth is done providing for us, we'll find everything we need on Mars.

    Guest worker visas have already been used by many willing to do work Americans do not, but here's the problem.



    He supports 7 children back home on $750/month. There is a trickle down effect no matter who is getting paid what when you forget about overpopulation. If you increase legal quotas, workers unionize and eventually make $15/ hour instead of 10, but how is it ever enough if there are 10 kids at home who feel entitled to the world?

    And that holds true for the US as well... if you can't afford a pricy house, don't buy one because you like the interest rate on the loan. Can't afford a luxury car, don't lease one. Life is manageable when you follow these basic rules.

    Their host countries, including Mexico, are human rights abusers who are just as much to blame. No one cares when minorities are doing the human rights abusing. If you don't want to hold people accountable, that's fine, but it's hypocritical to make death threats online because of a zero tolerance immigration policy. Conservatives have a lot of policy issues that are short sighted and stupid, but this is a hand they have been forced to play.
     
  10. bongman

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    Why do you keep on hanging to the idea that these folks are entitled? If there is anybody who feels entitled, it appears to be you.
    LOL at your anecdotal evidence. That is a major problem for America?

    So you say that people are not born equal and turn around and say "if you follow these basic rules then life is manageable". Looks like you have no idea what it means to be born in poverty or the power of religious influences on culture.

    A hand they are forced to play? He wants a wall built and will use children to get what he wants? How far we have gone from the days where the statue of liberty was the symbol of America.

    In any case, your side of the argument has failed as Trump has now ordered to stop the separation. Even his own party thought it was deplorable.
     
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  11. Wattafan

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    Meh - I dunno.
    We could just end up with a whole bunch more poor, more street people and crime would skyrocket. They need to be discouraged.
    I don't know what the actual solution would be but one possible step in the right direction could be to show that it is not going to be the utopia the illegals seem to be under the impression it is. Limiting their travel plans would seem to be a must.
    They are looking for asylum? What cost for sanctuary towns along the border instead of an expensive wall?
    Just spitballing here.
     
  12. Wattafan

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    You wouldn't think so watching the news cycle this past week or so.
     
  13. Cohete Rojo

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    Can anyone name the countries that the average American can immigrate to in order to increase their standard of living and income by 3-10 times what it currently is?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  14. Wattafan

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    Seriously?
    Previous administrations on both sides of the political aisle failed to resolve this issue- some of whom had multiple terms.
    Your zeroing in on Trump betrays your true bias.
     
  15. NewRoxFan

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    What made it news was the separating of thousands of children from their parents... put into cages, and no plan to reunite them in place.
     
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  16. NewRoxFan

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    What issue... the separating children from their families issue?
     
  17. Wattafan

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    The topic of the thread - immigration issue.
     
  18. Wattafan

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    One way to prevent that from happening is to not cross the border.
     
  19. NewRoxFan

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    Wow, its so simple! Who knew? Gee, that problem is solved... maybe you can tackle global warming next?
     
  20. Wattafan

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    Lol - is that all you got?
     

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