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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Cool. They did very well treating the migrants humanely and were very helpful to them. They lived up to their claim very well.
     
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    Given that the 50 migrants are now on a military base in Cape Cod, I would disagree.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    That is absolutely the best thing for them that was arranged by the people at Martha's Vineyard.

    Martha's Vineyard basically closes up during the winter. The refugees would have been stuck there with little access to services, transportation, and legal help.

    That is the reason why the volunteers at Martha's Vineyard did such a great job organizing the stay at Cape Cod.

    This move is a very short move and was set up ahead of time. They also made sure that there would be services available to them at Cape Cod.
     
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    https://www.mvy.com/blog/planning-a-winter-getaway-to-marthas-vineyard

    In any case, I think we can all agree that it's a bad look for a "sanctuary city" to relocate the 50 migrants after only a few days.
     
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  5. Nook

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    This isn’t going to go the way you think it will. DeSantis and Abbott both come across as inhumane. It’s popular with 1/3 of the country and that is it.
     
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    I'm not sure about that. This country has repeatedly showed they do not care about poor people, especially in the last couple decades.
     
  7. Amiga

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    While the general public may not care to financially help poor people, it does care to not treat them (or anyone) inhumanely.
     
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    DeSantis is amazing

    Biden and cities like El Paso have been transporting aliens all across the country for months. Suddenly when they get sent to rich white liberal enclaves, the National Guard and FEMA get called in to remove them.

     
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    It hasn't stopped, has spread, and is not going to stop anytime soon.

    Why? The intent isn't to solve immigration. The intent is based on politics and political wins. As long as these Gov believe they are winning their base, they will continue busing / flying migrants to the doorstep of their perceived political enemies.
     
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    I don’t know what “styled itself” means and in your article the quote for the the state legislator was from recently and not during the Trump years. According to this article there are eight sanctuary cities in MA and none are on Martha’s Vineyard.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/sanctuary-cities-massachusetts-migrants-marthas-vineyard/
    “Massachusetts is not a sanctuary state, but there have been proposals for it on Beacon Hill. A sanctuary city or state is a location that limits cooperation with federal immigration laws. There are eight cities in the state that are sanctuary cities. They are Amherst, Boston, Cambridge, Chelsea, Concord, Newton, Northampton, and Somerville. “

    Anyway the definition of “sanctuary city” doesn’t even apply to this situation as it is a locality that won’t cooperate with ICE enforcement such as releasing the immigration status or location of people in custody of local LE. In this case the migrants are here legally and everyone knows where they are.
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes in there sense they lived up to the description of being welcoming to immigrants. In the article though that @wekko368 poated I see no indication they Edgarton or any other town though actually is a “sanctuary city”. If they are a styled “sanctuary destination” then all DeSantis did was spend FL taxpayer money to do what Marthas Vineyard said they would do anyway.
     
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    No we can't agree. I think we'd be more likely to agree that it's a bad look to keep a group of immigrants unfamiliar with the area secluded in a place that has little to offer in terms of services, shelter, transportation, legal help.
     
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  13. bobrek

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    He's making his point with Florida budget money that was earmarked for moving illegal immigrants out of Florida.

    “facilitate the transport of unauthorized aliens from this state consistent with federal law.”

    Also, are asylum seekers unauthorized aliens?

    The man needs to quit governing this state to garner Republican support for Presidential votes and do what's best for Florida. Flying asylum seekers from Texas to wherever has nothing to do with life in Florida.

    Do you agree with that? If you don't, please explain how this stunt is helping Florida.
     
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  14. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes they were removed to Cape Cod on the mainland from MV and stil in Ma where they are being housed, fed provided services.
     
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    I agree that it isn't a sanctuary city.

    But that isn't all DeSantis did.

    Sending them to Martha's Vineyard on the taxpayer dime isn't the biggest issue. The largest issue was having put addresses on their forms that would make it impossible to meet hearing obligations and lawfully comply with the requirements for asylum hearings as well as lying to them about what awaited them.
     
  16. rocketsjudoka

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    they could’ve just put them in a plane and flown them to Tallahassee. Instead they took care of them with local resources.

    “Sanctuary city” doesn’t mean settling them and nothing posted said that Edgarton is a sanctuary city. Anyway as noted they are still in MA being fed and housed even though Ma isn’t a sanctuary stated.
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes he did other stuff. As @bobrek noted the funds used for this weren’t for flying from Texas or any other state to another state that wasn’t FL. It’s again interesting to note how many of those who support fiscal responsibility are celebrating spending for a political stunt and with funds not even meant to be used that way.
     
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    I agree that it's not a good look for Abbott and DeSantis. I also think it's not a good look for a sanctuary city to relocate the 50 migrants after a few days.
     
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    Then what does it mean? Because if it's just feeding them, clothing them, and giving them shelter for a few nights before relocating them, then I'd consider that to be hypocritical.

    And Massachusetts is indeed a sanctuary state.
     
  20. wekko368

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    You don't agree b/c you don't have an open mind. Your political leaning is obvious, and like most posters in these forums, you only see the warts on the opposition party and not your own.

    I'm neither liberal nor conservative, and I've been curious to see how sanctuary cities would actually operate. After all, there must be a reason they've been touting themselves as a sanctuary destination, right? And then relocating 50 migrants after only a few days? Not a good look.
     

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