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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. Gioan Baotixita

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    Lots of charges are flying around, you seemed grouchy this morning, Go to the beach, suck in some ocean fresh air, and if that doesn’t work, there’s always prune juice.
     
  2. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    All of my charges are provable, unlike yours.
     
  3. Os Trigonum

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    Border arrests ticked up 5 percent in November, first increase since summer

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...1348ec-5e25-11ec-ae5b-5002292337c7_story.html

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    Apprehensions at the southwest U.S. border rose last month for the first time since July, with across-the-board increases in the detention of migrant families, single adults and minors traveling without their parents, according to preliminary U.S. Customs and Border Protection data obtained by The Washington Post.

    CBP made more than 173,600 arrests at the U.S.-Mexico border in November, a more than 5 percent increase from the month before and the largest influx for that month in years, according to the unpublished numbers. The increase is driven by sharp increases in arrivals from Venezuela, which smashed the record set in October, as well as steady arrivals from Cuba, parts of Central America and Mexico.

    Apprehensions remain well below the 213,000 taken into custody in July, and some people were probably arrested more than once as they attempted to cross.

    Approximately half of those arrested were expelled to their native countries or to Mexico under a pandemic public health order that President Biden has held over from the Trump administration. But outcomes varied sharply by group. Almost all unaccompanied minors and most family members apprehended were allowed into the United States; it remains unclear how many were then released from custody to pursue their immigration cases.

    Two-thirds of the 114,100 adults traveling solo were expelled under the order, issued under Title 42 of the public health code, the data shows. CBP, which generally does not comment on unpublished data, did not respond to a request for comment Thursday.

    The latest numbers show the Biden administration is still facing significant political and humanitarian challenges at the southwest border, after apprehending a record 1.7 million migrants in the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30.

     
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  4. MexAmercnMoose

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    just a reminder that i'm here to take your job! LOL
     
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  5. Os Trigonum

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    iTS AN ENVASION WIT BRANDON N HUSSEIN DOIN GATDAM NUTHIN!

    LET PUTIN DO HIS THING UNTIL WE DO OUR THING TO PROTECT OUR BERDERS!!!

    YYEEEAAAARRRGGGG
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    And yet we still hear arguments that Biden has an "Open Border"..
     
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  10. HTM

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    It's interesting/amazing to see the lengths so many will go to to make it to the United States. Also interesting to see how negative people are about the United States pretty much constantly and in all things.

    Internet has always been a pretty toxic place though I suppose.
     
  11. Os Trigonum

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...nt-surge-is-coming-border-biden-is-not-ready/

    Opinion: A migrant surge is coming at the border — and Biden is not ready
    By Editorial Board
    Yesterday at 1:43 p.m. EDT|Updated yesterday at 4:42 p.m. EDT

    For two years, the U.S. government has used an increasingly shaky finger in the dike to halt a tsunami of undocumented migrants at the Mexican border. That recourse — a pandemic-related public health order that allows asylum seekers to be swiftly expelled — is crumbling under judicial scrutiny and political pressure from Democrats and is about to be voided. The Biden administration, bracing for the fallout, has done too little to prepare.

    Under the order, known as Title 42, more than 1.7 million migrants have been turned back at the border since March 2020. Many would have sought asylum, as is their right under U.S. law, had they not been blocked by Title 42, which President Donald Trump invoked as covid-19 swept the country. President Biden, whose arrival in office triggered a surge of border crossers hoping for more humane treatment, retained the order as a tool to hold back the tide.

    It has been increasingly clear that the policy is political damage control masquerading as a public health imperative. When the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit weighed the merits of Title 42 in a ruling last month, it noted that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, under whose jurisdiction the order falls, had provided no current justification for it. Following a review, the CDC announced on Friday that the order would be lifted on May 23.

    The predictable effect of lifting Title 42 is a new influx of migrants from Central America and beyond, which would compound an existing surge at the U.S.-Mexican border. The dimensions are anyone’s guess. Administration officials say migrant apprehensions, already around 7,000 daily, could spike to 18,000 and overwhelm the system. That could go on for a few weeks or much longer — a politically toxic scenario for the administration.

    Department of Homeland Security officials are assembling what amounts to a logistical war room to manage the coming mess — for detention facilities, transportation capabilities and Border Patrol officers themselves. Perhaps more consequentially over the long term, the administration is putting the finishing touches on a new asylum system, in the works since last year, that would accelerate an adjudication process that now typically takes five years, shrinking it to six months. That involves hiring hundreds of asylum officers who would evaluate claims from migrants that they would face persecution if returned to their home countries, and divert them from immigration courts, which already face a crushing backlog: 1.7 million cases, about 40 percent of which involve asylum claims.

    That’s a solid plan — if it survives expected legal challenges from Republicans. But it is unlikely to be in place fast enough or in sufficient scope to accommodate the likely migrant surge once Title 42 is lifted in May. A meaningful fix would require a legislative overhaul of the legal immigration system, which has eluded a dysfunctional Congress for years, and a concerted, long-term U.S. effort to address the root causes of illegal immigration — crime, violence, poverty and corruption in Central America and beyond.

    That was supposed to be Vice President Harris’s brief, but she appears to have done little to address the problem. Absent progress on that front, the Biden administration and its successors will surely face more chaos at the border.

     
  12. fchowd0311

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    It's funny because a large part of why so many Central and South American migrants come here is a result of our stranglehold on that region for the past century where American companies would buy out land there and farm and manufacture goods in those regions, extracting profits and resources where 99% of the return on investment went back to the US rather than benefiting the local region which resulted in local people lashing out and revolting (pretend China bought up most businesses and land in the US, you would see an armed revolt) which then led to American capitalists brainwashing Americans by labeling any opposition of that encroachment by American capitalists as "evil communist revolts" and then training and installing brutal right wing dictators who more than happily did the dirty work for American companies by suppressing any opposition with abject violence and genocide because they were bribed and also brainwashed by American propaganda.

    I suggest you read up on "school of the Americas".

    So just an explanation from a different perspective if why people 'love coming to America from Latin America" even though people "b**** about America all the time".
     
  13. Amiga

    Amiga I get vaunted sacred revelations from social media
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    At the rate our economy is growing and our birth rate, we need more immigration. Legal immigration has dropped by -2m vs decade trend due to the last admin and the pandemic.

    Expanding work visa would help greatly with reducing illegal immigration and filling what the US needs.
     
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    Low/no skill jobs could possibly be automated. Robots don't need universal income and benefits when we don't have anything for them to do. Your line of thinking is one I believe just kind of Band-Aids a problem but creates huge problems down the road. I think low birth rates are a function of the education system delaying people's lives.
     
  15. Amiga

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    Robots won't take over low/no skills jobs. That's a common misunderstanding. It will take over jobs that are repetitive in some manner. And since Robots will cost quite a bit, the focus will be on where is the best ROI. Think fast-food order system, accounting, tax preparation, financial advisors, low-level data analysis, etc. It cannot take over jobs that require human creativity or touch or interactions. Nursing, home care, health care, higher-level analysis, design, arts, etc.

    As often in history, when humans are freed up from more repetitive tasks, the "workplace" evolves to do higher functions and more rewarding jobs. Robots will continue that trend. New opportunities will open up. UBI or not, human capital is the engine that drives tomorrow's economy. The nation that attracts and retains the best will be the nation that succeeds the most. That usually involves a nation that is open, fair, democratic, has good human rights, good property rights, and so on.

    Low birth rates are a function of today's capitalistic system where younger folks can't or don't want to "waste" energy and time with too many kids. I think advanced robotics probably will free up humans to enjoy larger families, but if not, we should aim for increasing human capital, and that starts with a non-declining population that has good support for personal growth.
     
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    Robots are taking more jobs but they are still a long ways from replacing most low wage jobs. I know Singapore is experimenting with robot busboys but Singapore culture is far different from US as those robots still require people to put their dishes on the robot
     
  17. Major

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    We have a sub-4% unemployment rate and businesses unable to hire to run their operations. I don't think "too much labor" is our problem.
     
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  18. Amiga

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    It's in infancy now, but once it is there, I don't see why it will not grow close to exponential. The fear, and the talk of UBI, is that transition period. It's going to be quite painful if it does do what I think it does.

    Timeframe wise... I wouldn't be surprised if the tip of a real transition starts as soon as this decade. Watch the fast-food industry over the next 5 years for inclination where this is going. Some very interesting R&D is going on there.
     
  19. Bandwagoner

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    Businesses "unable to find employees" is a battle between out of touch boomers and young talented workers showing them that the game has changed.

    If you want to torpedo those efforts, import another million H1B workers per year.
     
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  20. DaDakota

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    Love that Unions are making a come back.

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