Are you aware of the background of the Colombian President? Make sure you understand whom you are siding with here.
Are aware of our own President's back ground? Will you believe anything bad that's said about the Columbian President, and nothing bad that's said about Trump? But lol lets say he is a very bad guy lol, you are aware the U.S. does business with a lot of countries right? What's the reason for this whole thing? Tell me? What does it do?
What do you mean what do we get? The U.S has tons of problems because other countries don't handle their business.... They don't deal with crime because the very same governments are corrupt and benefitting from that crime... Then the criminals walk into this country and we have to do what? Shelter them? Put a sign up that says "Safe Haven for all Criminales" No, we send them back.... And I'm basically just talking about immigration and not about how the entire world takes advantage of us because we are the richest and "supposed" to help everyone out..... What we get is out of this is for the world to understand that the days of trying to play games with us are long gone, Donald Trump did not send a military convoy to set up shop in Colombia.... It was a couple of single planes with Colombians in it, that's it.... And this MF did not allow the planes to land? Because he then realized they were military planes? Are you serious... How are you ok with this? How did the Colombian government think this would play out? That Trump would just say sorry and put them on a plane of Colombia's choosing? A better question is what did we lose by finally not putting up with bs and showing strength?
It removes criminal illegal immigrants and thereby saves lives and makes the country safer. Sorry this had to be explained to you.
Trump is bad according to people because he offends leftists, is rich and has sex with p*rn stars..... Them dude's in latin america are bad because they genuinely killed people and oppress their countries... These are very bad corrupt narco states.... You are pointlessly siding with some very bad people because you dislike Trump....
Okay, I'll say up front I dont agree with your takes on immigration. The data doesnt support what you say about them, but okay. Lets say that for argument's sake that this was the purpose. He didnt need to do it this way. He brought a military aircrafts that was expensive(OUR TAX DOLLARS) and only holds UP TO 80 PEOPLE. When ICE already HAS PLANES TO DO SO and HE DID IT TO A COUNTRY THAT WAS ALREADY TAKING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO BEGIN WITH. So why did he do it this way?
I don't really care to engage with your attempted little gotchas. You don't seem very intelligent but have suddenly chosen to cope with your TDS. It's obvious that he is doing what he was elected to do. In contrast to almost any politician I have ever seen, he is actually doing what he promised to get elected. He said he was going to deport illegals, and he is doing that, clearly starting with actual criminals. You can nitpick that as much as you want, it's one of the things he got elected for.
Okay man, can we not do the little personal attacks here. Im trying to have a dialogue and frankly you are being rude. How am I nit picking? I can show you some data on immigration if you want? Or is it the International relations thing that I'm nitpicking, Im not sure? Can you really nitpick starting a conflict with a foreign nation over....well nothing? Well no, by his own words he was elected to fix the economy, sure illegals are important to some Americans, but the number one issue on people's minds was the economy.
@Salvy @AroundTheWorld I know you guys are defending the decision to fly these immigrants back on military planes. Let's ignore @HP3 and his issue with flying military aircraft in another country's airspace without their permission (I honestly don't know the rules behind them). Let's also ignore Colombia's president for having a cow about US taking immigrants in military aircraft. As taxpayers, does it bother you that it is more costly to send immigrants back on military aircraft rather than chartered aircrafts, like ICE typically does it? Mr. Trump created DOGE to eliminate government inefficiency, yet isn't it hypocritical that he is spending a ton more money on flying these individuals back via costlier method? Maybe all you need to is point out that this was a one-off and that other immigrants are being chartered, this is just @HP3 jumping the gun because he is wanting to nitpick at something that maybe only happened twice (I made up the number). Or maybe it doesn't bother you because maybe all the usual planes that are used for chartering these individuals are not available and maybe this was just what the administration could come up with in such short notice. I think we can all agree that you guys are loving the swift action the administration is taking against immigrants. This was something you obviously thought was very important which is why you support Trump's action. However, it is fair to criticize the method how they are approaching this, unless there is a good explanation behind it, and you know sometimes it does take some time for this issue to be explained. Maybe the press can ask the Trump Administration and hopefully someone provides an honest answer.
They shouldn't have been in the country in the first place. That would have saved lives and a lot of taxpayer money. There is a global cabal to use opaque NGOs to smuggle illegal immigrants, including criminals, into Western countries. Showing you are serious about getting the worst ones out immediately is important for signaling.
This doesn't answer the question. I am interested though, were all these migrants on the planes criminals. Your post sure makes it sound like it. What kind of criminals? Were they murdering people? Drug dealers? Also, whether on charter or military planes, deporting quickly, doesn't that mean you are serious about it? So regardless of how much we spend on the operation, even if it could be more efficient, that doesn't really matter to you, right?
So lets say he got out the worst ones(no evidence to support that, but fine), why would he do so in such in inefficient manner? The illegal immigrants were already here and he decided to do this for what? It doesnt make sense.
As a taxpayer I rather Trump use military planes to send back illegal immigrants, especially criminals even if it is more costly. You see, the way I see it... I rather my money go towards cleaning up the country instead of Ukraine, DEI programs and illegal immigrant shelters with food illegal immigrants complain about.... Mass deportations can not and will not be perfect, mistakes will be made and some people will have to go through some uncomfortable situations on their way back to their home countries. I see a lot of bickering from countries like Brazil, Colombia and Honduras which are just excuses to blame Trump and apply negative public opinion pressure... Heads up, Trump does not care and why don't they fix their countries so that their people don't end up having to risk their lives coming over here, why aren't they being humane with their own citizens? But expect the U.S to treat illegal immigrants like royalty? We aren't smuggling them into their countries in mattresses like they did ours, we are flying them over there.....
But if there is a cheaper alternative, why not just go the cheaper alternative route? I get it, Trump loves swinging his dick and showing others who's boss. I think it's good to question your administration though. In the grand scheme of things, maybe it doesn't matter. Trying to google some of this, it seems the planes used for the Colombia trip were about $3,100/person versus the typical $1,900/person on a chartered plane. I guess if he deports 1 million people with these military planes, than we are looking at an additional cost of $1.2 billion. Drop in the bucket compared to other **** we spend money on, but seems highly unnecessary, and for what, just to antagonize another country. I get it, it's easy to pick on Colombia, because they need us more than we need them. It's an easy target. Make an example out of another country and show you mean business. Personally, I rather see that money in our pockets in the form of tax cuts for the middle class, but this obviously is not the fight to pick on.
Is this is really all you have man? Come on, you can do better than this, sure like you can educate me with some logical points? And surely can you can give me data points about how these deportations will save the country money? Or surely you can give me a reason as to why Trump used a military aircraft on foreign soil?
Why do you want them gone though? What have illegal immigrants done to you? How has you or someone you know been affected by an illegal immigrant. Did something bad happen to you? Also here is a study https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate#:~:text=Every other violent and property,burglary, theft, and arson. Undocumented Immigrant Offending Rate Lower Than U.S.-Born Citizen Rate
I don't think people like @Salvy care that the rate is lower. If one illegal immigrant murdered a US citizen, that's one to many in his eyes. It's no different than how I view mass shootings and 2A. One mass shooting is one too many. In that case we really have to compromise. Currently what Trump is doing is extreme to me since we need both legal and illegal immigrants for our economy. Considering that our citizens are having much less kids than they use to have, if we intend to prosper as a country and also be able to take care of the elderly, and continue being the superpower we are by spending massive amounts on the military, than we need a large number of people in the work force, not decreasing it. If you ask me, this is all show and tell by the Trump administration. They and their rich friends know that these individuals are needed in this country to allow us to have more money in our pocket. You can claim you are going to slap tariffs on all imports and also make it more expensive domestically to do things by increasing the cost of labor. I don't believe we should exploit labor, but lets face it, Americans like living a good life which means goods have to be relatively cheap. If you attack the costs of goods from both fronts, you are going to piss off a lot of people. Additionally, they are also proposing to cut taxes, at that point you are really going to **** up the economy. At least, that's my simpleton view of it.
I guess its weird that he wants to "clean up the streets" when said cleaning would likely destroy the economy and cause more crime, especially considering that illegal immigrants commit crime at a lower rate.
