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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. Dubious

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    This is all "election" rhetoric designed to preserve the GOP majority. It's bullshit just like the "Middle Class Tax Breaks". This President does not give a **** about the authenticity of anything he says. Every word is to "play" to his base and incite knee jerk reactions. He has no concern for legality, practicality, or morality ... just get the rubes to vote #1 for his ego and #2 to promote the cash grab for his family and cronies.
     
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  2. Rashmon

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    Interesting seeing some of the constitutional conundrums...

    Which one is more clear in it's stated intent:
    • A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
    • All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
    For some, I would surmize this might pose some severe cognitive dissonance.
     
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  3. mdrowe00

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    Heh.

    Original intent only matters when what was originally intended was what was originally intended.
     
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  4. Senator

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    For others, they'd see the latter is primarily used to circumvent the law itself. Even with your technicalities , Illegals aren't subject to the jurisdiction thereof, neither are visa overstays, so the results of their calculated criminal activity aren't worth the burden. If you don't tighten border security and let loopholes continue, it's the immigrants and illegals who suffer and will continue to get exploited by big agro corporations.

    I don't care for the 2nd amendment either, but comparing the 2 is pointless.
     
  5. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Then let's compare it to the Abortion debate. Most conservatives view Children in the womb as individual humans with rights correct?
    Why would you punish a child by denying him/her citizenship based on the crimes of their parent? Seems like a slippery slope.

    The child should have the right to choose if they want to become citizens of the U.S. or the country their parents are from. This is a pandoras box that ignores the rights of a protected class in the eyes of conservatives.

    You can't kill a baby when its born and claim it has no rights correct?
     
  6. Rashmon

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    My technicalities? You do realize I presented the 2nd and 14th amendments. Verbatim. I was not comparing them, but making a point in how we, as a community of people, selectively agree or disagree with "wording" based upon our ideology.

    Some might say that the wording of the 2nd only refers to "a well regulated militia" rather than the current interpretation. Similarly, some may read the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" to exclude undocumented aliens rather than the children of ambassadors and foregin ministers as intended.
     
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  7. Senator

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    I don't care about what most conservatives think. Or what most liberals think. They simply bow their heads and tread along party lines, too scared to truly think things out. That creates politics where there doesn't need to be.

    Religious rhetoric need not apply. Nothing is truly equal and fair no matter how many "laws", "amendments", etc. you make up, because the same response need not apply to a child of rape vs a child that was planned or happened naturally.

    Similarly, this law was written for slave rights 3 centuries ago need not apply to the 21st century, where if 1 parent isn't a citizen, then the kid should not be a citizen. It solely exists as a loophole that visa overstays, illegals and criminals use to keep pumping out babies and have their mediocre "legacies" live on. I want more immigration, but I want legal immigration. You can't do this with obvious loopholes that don't fit the times we live in.
     
  8. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Can’t have rule of law when you ignore the law. The 14th amendment is law.

    Oh well.
     
  9. Dubious

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    I want the right to bear arms, but I want it limited to hunting and sport shooting. You can't do this with obvious loopholes that don't fit the times we live in.
     
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    Amazing how extreme trump's lies have become. How can we solve the immigration when the leaders are so divorced from reality?

     
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    Seems like the Israeli's do it all the time..

    Not saying it's right or wrong but from the coverage I've seen regarding conflicts at the Israeli/Palestinian border.
     
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    So, the Nigerian Army is using a video of trump saying the U.S. military should use guns on unarmed people of other countries to defend their own shooting of 45 unarmed Nigerian protesters. This is what trump is doing to America...

     
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    ...maybe THESE are all of those black people that the Donald says loves him?

    I guess what they say is true:

    ...the way to a man's heart is through his sternum with a 5.56mm round bullet...
     
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    Who makes these godawful cartoons and can please stop posting them?
     
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    And people wonder why the US has been going through an opioid overdose crisis since the whole "unaccompanied minors at the border" crisis.
     

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