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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. Commodore

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    Biden’s executive actions are working on reducing border crossings. It is also raising concerns among immigrant rights groups that people applying for legitimate asylum are being prevented.

    Will note again that many of these measures could still be overturned by court order without the a law passed by Congress
    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/24/us/politics/biden-asylum-restrictions.html

    Biden’s Asylum Restrictions Are Working as Predicted, and as Warned
    Border numbers are down significantly. But migrant activists say the restrictions President Biden imposed in June are weeding out people who may have legitimate claims of asylum.

    In the months since President Biden imposed sweeping restrictions on asylum at the U.S.-Mexico border, the policy appears to be working exactly as he hoped and his critics feared.

    The number of people asking for haven in the United States has dropped by 50 percent since June, according to new figures from the Department of Homeland Security. Border agents are operating more efficiently, administration officials say, and many of the hot spots along the border, like Eagle Pass, Texas, have calmed.

    The numbers could provide a powerful counternarrative to what has been one of the Biden administration’s biggest political vulnerabilities, particularly as Vice President Kamala Harris, the Democratic presidential nominee, tries to fend off Republican attacks.

    But migrant activists say Mr. Biden’s executive order is weeding out far too many people, including those who should be allowed to have their cases heard, even under the new rules. They say the figures are so low in part because of a little-noticed clause in the new policy, which changed how migrants are treated when they first arrive at the border.
    More at link.
     
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    Advocacy groups which spent years subverting and making a mockery of the asylum system are upset when its reformed.

    Shocking.
     
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    Muslim army invading Spain.

     
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    #5209 AroundTheWorld, Aug 26, 2024
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    https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-scholz-seeks-new-knife-laws-after-solingen-attack/a-70049859

    German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has visited the city of Solingen three days after a deadly knife attack there. Scholz said he hoped to rapidly "tighten up" German laws on carrying knives.

    The cognitive dissonance is astounding. Clearly the problem here is kitchen knives... once we tighten up our kitchen knives laws the problem will go away... I can't think of anything else which might be the problem...
     
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    Scholz is an absolute idiot. I have met him. His party is full of idiots. On a personal level, I am friends with the chairman of the party (SPD), we both support the same soccer team. But he is also a lying politician. We are friends, also on Facebook...he posted there "Germany has a knife problem".

    They are absolutely dishonest.

    They aren't admitting that radicalized young, uneducated, hateful men who have been poisoned by the ideology of Islam are the actual problem, and that they have let them all in, and keep actively bringing more of them in, without checking or knowing whom they are bringing in.

    Instead, they think the population is dumb enough to believe that "knives are the problem".
     
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    They are working - but that is also a double-edged sword because critics are going to ask why it took him 3 years to respond to the crisis in a definitive manner.

    As for people that have legitimate claims - I don't think that the majority of Americans are going to care because there are like a billion people worldwide that could make a legitimate claim for asylum. Finding people that want and deserve to come into the USA isn't a problem.
     
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    If there really are 1,000,000 people present - then yeah, one stabbing is actually not bad as morbid as that sounds.
     
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    I'm just upset that Democrats bought into the right wing framing. These people aren't doing anything to Americans besides providing a exploited labor force.

    Again, it's always cruelty to the powerless. Why not just imprison business owners who exploit?

    I don't like anyone who tests the border and migrant issue as a security issue rather than a exploitation issue.

    The border has never been a sincere security threat. It's right wing fear mongering and Democrats both into it.
     
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    The point is that there were zero stabbings at protests against uncontrolled immigration, and people were put in jail regardless.
     
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    I don't think that they have bought into the right-wing framing of the issue - they haven't shut down the border, they have cut the number crossing and entering by 50%, there (like there has been for a long time) are still a lot of people coming in and getting to apply for asylum. Are there people that have a valid claim that are not getting in? Yes, but that has always been the case.

    Also - while I don't blame people for trying to make a better life, it isn't as simple as a exploitable labor force. For example, downtown Chicago still has many Venezuelans that are panhandling all day. The shelters are still full and they live in tents right on the outskirts of the skyscrapers. There are now lots of Venezuelan sex workers walking down and around Chicago.

    Are these bad people? No - I have never had a negative experience with the Venezuelan asylum seekers in my discussions with them. Many of them are women and children or families - they are also very grateful, but the reality was that the flow had to be slowed as the city simply did not have places to put them or job training for them at the rate they were coming in.

    I am a big proponent of immigration and believe that it is one, if not the biggest factor in the USA's success. However, there still needs to be some order to it.

    Duh - that is the age old problem. Those with money, have no issue becoming citizens and are welcomed with open arms.... and businesses, so what they always do, exploit to the letter of the law and beyond.

    It can be both. I understand the idea that a group of people could test our border as a way to attack the USA - but they can do that with or without a border. I believe that the 9-11 hijackers all were legally in the USA, and there is plenty of homegrown terrorism.

    The USA has had a lot of success with very little control over who does and doesn't cross the border for many hundreds of years. There is a strong element of xenophobia involved.
     
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    Large portions of the US population are dumb enough to think guns are the problem, so that isn't really surprising.
     

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