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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. Space Ghost

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    Idk. Apparently immigration is a brand new problem for this country. Seems every other country has a solution for it.
     
  2. Andre0087

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    Let's assume the opposite is true just based on his post history.
     
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  3. Amiga

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    Actually, it's a big political issue in Europe as well. But they did something that the US hasn't done - they finally passed new legislation (last month) to deal with it.

    You can thank Trump for that. Bipartisan legislation to overhaul our asylum and immigration system would have passed if not for him playing politics, instructing Congressional Republicans to abandon it, and telling you and everyone to blame him for it.

    European Parliament passes asylum and migration reforms

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/10/european-parliament-passes-asylum-and-migration-reforms

    The European Parliament has approved a landmark overhaul of the European Union’s asylum and migration rules.

    The parliament’s main political groups overcame opposition from far-right and far-left parties to pass the new migration and asylum pact – a sweeping reform nearly a decade in the making.
     
  4. Os Trigonum

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    link should work for everyone

    Biden’s Border Election Gambit
    He finally takes some action with an executive order, but voters will wonder if he means it.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-bi...fi9udrnxd5q&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

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    Biden’s Border Election Gambit
    He finally takes some action with an executive order, but voters will wonder if he means it.
    By The Editorial Board
    June 4, 2024 at 5:57 pm ET

    What do you know? More than three years into his Presidency, Joe Biden has discovered the border mess. On Tuesday he announced executive actions that he claims will stem a tidal wave of migrants. This looks like a tactical political retreat masquerading as a battle cry.

    Polls show that the border has moved to the top of voter concerns, and a significant majority believe Donald Trump would do a better job handling it. Perhaps because he did. Encounters along the U.S.-Mexico border have nearly tripled since 2019 and they’ve increased more than six-fold since 2018. See the nearby chart, which makes the point in one lesson.

    Screenshot 2024-06-04 at 7.04.44 PM.png

    Even Democrats who run big cities say they’re overwhelmed by migrants. Yet the Administration until Tuesday ignored their pleas for help while picking a fight with Texas Gov. Greg Abbott over his efforts to protect the border. Now with Mr. Trump hammering the issue, Mr. Biden knows he must at least appear to be doing something.

    Thus his executive order on Tuesday that would supposedly block migrants seeking asylum at the southern border when the average number of daily encounters between ports of entry hits 2,500 over a week. The border could reopen once the daily average declines to 1,500. Daily encounters this year have averaged about 6,000.

    Mr. Biden’s executive actions might help reduce the flow somewhat if they are strictly enforced, and at least he’s admitting the problem. But the press release sounds better than the details. Migrants could still seek asylum at ports of entry using the CBP One mobile app, which would be excluded from the daily triggers.

    A White House fact sheet says the order also exempts migrants if they “faced an imminent and extreme threat to life or safety, such as an imminent threat of rape, kidnapping, torture, or murder.” This sounds much like the way the dysfunctional asylum system currently works. Unaccompanied minors aren’t covered by the order, which might encourage more of them to seek asylum.

    Mr. Biden’s order is sure to be challenged in court, as the ACLU has already promised. It’s no small irony that the President invokes the same legal authority under the Immigration and Nationality Act that Mr. Trump used to impose his travel ban.

    The Supreme Court held in 2018 that the law gives the President broad discretion to suspend entry of aliens if he finds it “would be detrimental to the interests of the United States.” But progressives point to a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals decision that blocked a Trump regulation that made migrants who entered between ports of entry ineligible for asylum.

    The executive order will also run into practical difficulties. It will require Mexico’s cooperation as well as more resources to detain migrants before their deportation. Even the Administration concedes the order “cannot achieve the same results as Congressional action” and requires more funding.
    more at the link

     
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  5. Amiga

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    A bad gambit that wouldn't work and doesn't even provide political cover. Anyhow...

    Encounters at the border are a poor metric.

    Here is one that is more relevant. Yellow is the 2,500 per day threshold to temporarily shut down asylum access between border ports of entry. As you can see, it has been exceeded plenty of times since 1999. This isn't much different than the near total ban (of asylum access between border ports of entry) that both Trump and Biden tried, but was shut down by the Courts.

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  6. Astrodome

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    Atta boy Joe.
     
  7. NewRoxFan

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    trump will lie about everything...

     
  8. Astrodome

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    Be on the lookout!



     
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    The Irony of Musk's Immigration Policy Views

    He happens to be America's richest non-native

    Originally from South Africa, the brothers l<usk acked lawful immigration status when they began the business in the U.S.



    Eleven years later, Elon was back at the Milken Institute last month in Beverly Hills, talking once again about immigration. This time, he described the southern border as a scene out of the zombie apocalypse and said the legal immigration process is long and “Kafkaesque.”

    “I’m a big believer in immigration, but to have unvetted immigration at large scale is a recipe for disaster,” Musk said at the conference. “So I’m in favor of greatly expediting legal immigration but having a secure southern border.”

    Elon Musk, the most financially successful immigrant in the U.S. and the third-richest person in the world, has frequently repeated his view that it is difficult to immigrate to the U.S. legally but “trivial and fast” to enter illegally. What he leaves out: Seeking asylum is a legal right under national and international law, regardless of how a person arrives on U.S. soil.


    The irony is rich; do as i say, not as i did!


     
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  10. rocketsjudoka

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    Melania Trump's immigration status was also very unclear before she married Donald. On top of that she brought in her family using the very program that Trump says he wants to shut down.
     
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  12. Xopher

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    How much did Donald Trump have to pay for defrauding people using his charity? Do you ever post truly accurate information. Nope only half-truths which fit your narrative. I didn't know swindling money was part of Sharia Law.
     
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  13. rocketsjudoka

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    I’m very familiar case and that has nothing to do with their immigration status.

    Many scams involving PPP were carried out by US citizens.
     
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  14. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes it would be like today in the anniversary of Dday tarring all Germans including current ones as Nazis.
     
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  15. deb4rockets

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    Scammers should all be put away for years. It shouldn't matter what race or skin color they have.

    Just think, if they were rich dirty white Americans Trump would pardon them. He doesn't care if they defraud people, fraudulently bill hundreds of millions in healthcare, run pozi schemes, steal millions for building a wall, commit tax fraud, wire fraud, and launder money. He pardoned tons of those types. He is the King of grift, fraud, and white collar crimes. He surrounds himself with those types.

    Here's a couple guys he pardoned.

    Dr. Faustino Bernadett: Bernadett, a retired anesthesiologist, was sentenced last year to 15 months in federal prison for taking part in a long-running health care fraud scheme where he authorized sham contracts that concealed over $30 million in illegal kickback payments to physicians, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office. The overall scheme resulted in more than $900 million in fraudulent bills being submitted.

    David Tamman: Trump granted a full pardon to David Tamman, who was a partner at a law firm when he doctored financial documents at the behest of a client who was perpetrating a Ponzi scheme. According to the Department of Justice, the scheme ultimately took $22 million from victims.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...st-minute-pardons-commuted-sentences-n1254806
     
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  16. Amiga

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    From their posting history, End Wokeness is effectively Dumb and Dumber with pride.
     
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  17. Astrodome

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    Not sure how you linked this crime to Trump but kudos for the effort.
     
  18. deb4rockets

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    Just saying, Trump pardons criminals just like that if they are rich white guys. He doesn't care who scams who if he can add another accomplice to his next crime spree to get money or power.
     
  19. ROCKSS

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    There has never been so much relief money injected into the US economy and I think it was a good idea but trump and company didn't put the correct guardrails in place when it was rolled out. This isn't a RACE thing, it's a GREED thing.......................Grifters come in all sizes and colors, hell we have an entire family trying to get in the WH and there the biggest grifters of all. I know some posters like to use these half-truth tweets to fit their own narrative but it's just lazy man

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Much of the theft was brazen, even simple.

    Fraudsters used the Social Security numbers of dead people and federal prisoners to get unemployment checks. Cheaters collected those benefits in multiple states. And federal loan applicants weren’t cross-checked against a Treasury Department database that would have raised red flags about sketchy borrowers.

    Criminals and gangs grabbed the money. But so did a U.S. soldier in Georgia, the pastors of a defunct church in Texas, a former state lawmaker in Missouri and a roofing contractor in Montana.

    All of it led to the greatest grift in U.S. history, with thieves plundering billions of dollars in federal COVID-19 relief aid intended to combat the worst pandemic in a century and to stabilize an economy in free fall.

    An Associated Press analysis found that fraudsters potentially stole more than $280 billion in COVID-19 relief funding; another $123 billion was wasted or misspent. Combined, the loss represents 10% of the $4.2 trillion the U.S. government has so far disbursed in COVID relief aid.

    https://apnews.com/article/pandemic...siness-labor-fb1d9a9eb24857efbe4611344311ae78
     
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  20. Amiga

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    They would need to either blatantly disregard existing law or devise a clever workaround. The law is unequivocally clear—there's no ambiguity or room for misinterpretation.

    The EO explicitly prohibits asylum for individuals who don't arrive at a designated port of entry, a direct violation of existing law.


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

    8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum
    (a) Authority to apply for asylum
    (1) In general


    Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.
     
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