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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. astros123

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    the senate bill will literally force migrants to apply for asylum in mexico and it will literally shut the border down completely after an average of 5k applications a day. It also great enhances the requirements to be considered for asylum. Less than 30% of folks will qualify for asylum

    Somehow dems want "millions of illegals" when the law they're trying to sign will ban more than a hundred thousand or so lol.. you low iq MAGA
     
  2. tallanvor

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    this is not needed to stop people from entering illegally. never has been. it also is not a justification for destroying barb wire. stop lying.
     
  3. Astrodome

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    I appreciate Biden taking action.
    I appreciate Abbott taking action.
     
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  4. astros123

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    Do you miss the part where the senate bill will literally build new border fencing and deploy tens of thousands of more agents??

    Why do you want barbed wire when we can build something stronger? It's like wanting case keenum instead of CJ stroud?
     
  5. tallanvor

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    Why dont i want to give more funding to the group that tore down the walls and barb wire already built? Well, becaise the group tore down walls and barb wire. I want less of that and not more. Like all your reaponses you failed to justify destrpying barb wire
     
  6. astros123

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    Biden admin tore down wall that was already built??? Can you please share the source for this information? Last I saw biden folks *replaced* sections of trumps wall that needed repair.

    Biden built more wall in the valley
    https://www.texastribune.org/2023/10/05/biden-border-wall-texas-starr-county/

    Biden repaired trumps wall

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bid...mp-border-wall-construction/story?id=95159683

    @tallanvor please stop trying to sound intelligent.
     
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  7. Amiga

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    Well, now that the game is pretty much over... let me take a few minutes to respond to this.

    I see you are quite emotional about this issue, but you got some facts wrong, and your overall picture is misguided.

    First, the law says you can declare asylum wherever you arrived. The Biden admin actually contested this, and the Court struck them down.

    The judge raised particular concern about the administration’s effort to require most asylum applicants to present themselves at established ports of entry, rather than claiming asylum after crossing between border posts.

    The Court concludes that the Rule is contrary to law because it presumes ineligible for asylum noncitizens who enter between ports of entry, using a manner of entry that Congress expressly intended should not affect access to asylum,” Tigar wrote.

    As for the barrier, it's all political. The TX-Mexico border is over 1200 miles long. The barbed wire covers an area of about 30 miles long, and the floating barrier is literally about 1000 ft long. If you think those actually prevent asylum seekers from crossing over, I don't want what you are smoking. Here is a factoid: the barrier was in place since at least July 2023. The number of migrant crossings in FY23 reached a peak in Dec 2023. Didn't seem to do much and logically, of course it wouldn't do much as it cover less than 2% of the border.

    You have the illegal voting factually wrong. Only US Citizens can vote in federal elections and pretty much all local elections.

    Look, if Texas really cares about slowing down the migrants crossing, Texas should encourage their representatives in Congress to work on changing immigration law. There is a golden opportunity to pass the most conservative immigration reform law in decades.

    Lastly, please do calm down. Trump's style of lettering is cool and all, but I don't think it's such a good look. Just IMO.
     
  8. tallanvor

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    never said otherwise. I said points of arrival are for that . Thats why the barb wire exists

    oh ok, as long as illegals arent allowed to vote they must not be voting. Brilliant....


    When you argue that biden must leave the border open and must destroy barb wire because 'the law saws so' then clearly you are not arguing in good faith. You are supporting letting millions into the country just to win elections. Ill talk to you like the evil scum you are.
     
  9. astros123

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    There's been over 200 audits of the 2020 election and the vast majority of fraud that was found was from MAGA supporters lol. It's a felony to illegally vote and you have no evidence of your conspiracies. It's illegal to vote if you're a illegal and there's no evidence that illegal are voting.

    It's amazing how the right has genuinely become braindead
     
  10. tallanvor

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    The lack of people caught isnt an indicator that there is no/little fraud ( you cant quantify how many people arent caught) . The lack of people caught, if anything , indicates your fraud detection measures dont work. Imagine being in charge of preventing credit card fraud at mastercard and telling your bosses only 10 people tried to commit fraud last month. You would be fired. A healthy voter fraud prevention system should be catching over 10k voter fraud each election.

    Its not a red/blue thing. The incentives are to ignore fraud in every state.
     
  11. astros123

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    Hahaha "the lack of evidence doesn't mean it's not happening." In no other line of business would people speak like the way you do. Only in politics is something true with zero factual evidence.

    "There's no evidence of what I'm accusing dems of doing but it must be true cuz Tucker Carlson promised me!!!"

    Do you ever sit back and realize how fkin nuts you sound? Seriously
     
  12. Amiga

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    Wow, evil scum. You are indeed highly emotionally. But, I'll just ignore it one more time.

    Correct. The 2020 election and the elections before show that there are essentially no non-US citizens voting in our election. Maybe a handful of cases over the past 20 years.

    I made a clear argument on why it's political and why it's not effective, and I suggested what can be effective. There have been no counterarguments, so there is nothing else for me to add.

    I was actually going to explain why I think the federal government cut the wire, but I'm not going to. I don't think you are capable of reasonably hearing it in your high emotional state.
     
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  13. tallanvor

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    Thinking you are evil doesnt make me emotional

    You didnt ignore it. You responded

    You and that astro guy both lack basic analytic skills as you both make the same mistake. You cant make this claim as you can't know how many people arent caught. thats the whole point....
     
  14. tallanvor

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    'Russia has very few voter fraud convictions therefore Russia must have honest elections'

    This is your logic as well as Amigas
     
  15. astros123

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    There's been over 200 audits of the 2020 election. There's been hand recounts, forensic audits and even outside independent firms looking for any sort of fraud. Trumps own DOJ and homeland security did a full investigation into the 2020 election and they found zero evidence of illegals voting.

    You keep wanting to deflect from the truth cuz it doesn't fit in your narrative. There's been intensive investigations into the election and nothing was found.

    You don't wanna accept it cuz you're brainwashed. You have zero evidence to back up your claim while I can show you hundreds of audits to back up my claim.
     
  16. tallanvor

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    Once an illegal vote is mixed in with legal votes, an audit wont catch it.

    You will never under any voting system know how much fraud exists (again, you cant quantify how many illegal votes dont get caught). All you can do is evaluate what you know.

    You know around 150 people are convicted of voter fraud an election out of 130M votes i think. Thats laughably low.

    You know its very easy to commit voter fraud. What stops a parent from filling out their 18 yr old's ballot and mailing it in?

    You know people have all the incentive in the world to commit fraud.

    Again its not a red/blue thing. Incentives are wrong
     
  17. NewRoxFan

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    While the magas on the site keep hoping for inaction, President Biden and senate republicans keep working on a solution...

     
  18. astros123

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    The signature on the ballot needs to match the signature on file with the state and the voter needs to fill out an affidavit stating it's theirs or else it's a felony and they will get thrown in prison.

    When a state does an audit they literally verify signatures were correct again and if there's any discrepancies they reject the ballot.

    You're so utterly stupid about elections are conducted. You havnt made a single point during this entire conversation. You're claiming there's voter fraud when you have no evidence.

    Braindead
     
  19. tallanvor

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    sounds rock solid. A parent couldnt possibly forge their kids signature. I guess you are right, only 150 people out of 150M tried to do this in 2020. Makes sense. You so smart
     
  20. leroy

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    You are in a cult. Please seek help.
     
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